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MikePA

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I realize that the answer to this question will vary from region to region, but I'll ask anyway. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif What's an average price per acre for leasing land to a farmer?

A friend of ours lets a local farmer use some of their land, approximately 50 acres, for corn, hay, etc. and doesn't charge them anything for it! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif This year the farmer produced 'a couple hundred' round hay bales that he feeds his cows and, they suspect, also sells.

Any idea what they should be charging this guy?
 
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Mike,

It all depends on the ground. The good flat farm ground will go for $200/acre. Good ground on hills will go for $150-190/acre. Hilly, clay ground will go for $100-150/acre. Pasture ground or unimproved ground will bring $50-100/acre. Really poor rocky ground will usually be around $20-50/acre.

The next thing it will depend on is what the crop production report is. How many bushels/acre does the land produce in corn, soybeans. How many tons/acre in hay.

You can take all these and avg. them but to get an accurate account of what the ground should go for you really need to know the ground condition and crop report. Without that it's just a guess.
 
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Thanks, doc. They were just looking for a ballpark figure. They also just spent almost $1,000 for stones for their driveway that the farmer 'dug up' by driving his equipment on it, even though they had asked him to use another access road. So, not only are they not getting paid for the land, they're spending money to repair the damage he did.

The other problem they have is that they have a single parcel of land, 75 acres with a residence on it, and are paying fairly high taxes. They're looking into subdividing their property into a parcel of the house with 5 acres plus a 70 acre farmland parcel.
 
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Boy, Mike, send your neighbor over to upstate New York, and have him buy some land near me!!! I'd love a deal like that!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

We'd like to buy more land for our growing farming business, but for all deal like that, I'd be happy to rent it for free. I'd even promise not to do any damage!!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Before these people built their house, they had the farmer keep their quarter mile driveway open in the winter in exchange for farming the land, which I still think is a fantastic deal for the farmer. Now that they have a house, and keep their driveway open themselves, they aren't getting anything from the farmer. Even at $100/acre, they should be getting enough in lease payments to cover their taxes.
 
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Mike,
We leased some of our land to the farmer that was farming it before we bought it. We purchased 20 acres and he farmed about 10. The deal was he gave us X amount of dollars as a base, then a % of the crop profits. The land is very poor tyner soil a,b,c, and d, which is very sandy loam on varying slopes. He attempted to grow corn on it, but never got all that much without irrigation. We ended up getting about $38.00 per acre. Seems like a small amount, but it more than covered the property taxes for the entire property, which are only about $100.00 per year. We ended the deal when we planted trees on the fields. He was fine with that because the property was just on the line of being more work than it was worth. It was a break even piece of ground for him. Your friends might want to check with the local county extension agent to see if they can give some guidelines for leasing crop land.

Also, they should look into any possibilities of government programs for conservation reserve, classified forest and classified wildlife habitats. If you get your land into some of those programs, the taxes are significantly reduced. One program that we will be looking into when we build will designate 1 acre around the house as residential and we will be taxed on it. The other 19 acres will be classified forest and wildlife habitat and the taxes will be almos nothing on those acres. We just have to be careful to be sure we can take the land out if our kids ever want to build on the property. We could designate more property as residential, but we will do as little as possible. Some government programs are very restrictive and you give up control of some things. Some are very lenient. For instance, we had a state biologist and forester come out and develop a plan for our propery for re-forestation. We followed those guidelines and purchased 2150 trees(half pines and half mixed hardwoods) and had them planted and side sprayed according to the plan. Then the government came out and inspected it. We passed and they re-imbursed us for 75% of the cost. Total for us was only $265.00! The only stipulations were we had to either side spray once a year or mow a few times a year to keep the weeds down, and we couldn't treat the pines as Christmas trees. After the 5 years was up, we could do whatever we wanted to them. Even cut them down, if we wanted.

Anyway, have them talk to the government agencies for guidance. The service are free because you already paid for them with your taxes. Hope this helps.

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Dave,

I mentioned to the wife (the person who works for me) that she needed to know what they'd do with the ground if the farmer decided he didn't want to farm it anymore. This would be hard to believe since he had hay on it this year, and in years past he's had corn on it, so it's good ground. She responded that she had heard about the conservation program(s) and will be visiting the township offices to get information on them.
 
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Yeah. I forgot to mention that one of the factors in us qualifying for the 75% payback on the trees was that we were taking highly erodable land out of production. If it was less erodable, the % of payback decreased.

Don't want to get off subject and start another thread robbing, but Government programs are a real strange thing. I couldn't believe the "giveaways" people were getting. Some government programs are such a waste, yet I was sure willing to step up take advantage of it and get some of my tax money back. Pretty hypocritical on my part. I could try and justify it by saying, "Well, it helps stop errosion and that's a good thing", except the land that qualified was bowl shaped. It eroded into itself,not any streams or wet lands. That wasn't in the criteria. If it was tyner soil on a slope it qualified. Stupid, in my opinion, but, the reality is, that is the sytem we have, so that is the system I work with. In this day and age, you have to be able to read the rules and apply them to your own setting. They are almost as complicated as tax laws, but that is a topic for another thread. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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My tenant farmer pays me $30 per acre (total of 60 acres rented) to plant combo corn, alfalfa, timothy crop. This is the going rate for rural farm land outside Capital District, New York.

...Bob
 
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Now I don't feel so bad about the leasing price I've used for the last 4 years.. I rent out 65 acres.. comes to $1800 a year.

My tenant farmer leased the farm & house across the street.. the owner recently passed away.. now the farm has to be sold. He has to move out by March.. luckily to another farm & house down the road.. but now he's not going to be renting my farm. A dairy farmer (next door neighbor) said he might be interested.. our properties border each other's.

I told him I'd take 3 Holstein bull calves as the first 3 months rent.. I almost finished a 12'x16' portable cow/calf shelter or "Super Hutch" just last weekend.. w/ the help of a nailgun and my FEL.. they're my best workers!
 

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