Kubota 3130 GST hydraulic bleeding?

   / Kubota 3130 GST hydraulic bleeding? #1  

duncspal

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I have a Kubota 3130 GST with Kubota front loader and Woods backhoe. I recently changed the hydraulic fluid. This is the 3rd time that I've done this.

I know it's normal for the backhoe and frontloader to descend when the tractor is off, however, this seems to happen at a faster rate since I changed the fluid.

The dipstick shows full and there aren't any obvious hose leaks. Only thing I can think is that there is air in the lines. I thought that the system was self bleeding. But I can't see any other reason for this situation?

Can anyone help?
 
   / Kubota 3130 GST hydraulic bleeding? #2  
Any air in the cylinder will eventually work it self out. Air will make it feel spongy, but after awhile, should go away. As far as the bucket and BH dropping, that is also normal. You say you changed fluid, are you using a fluid with the right viscosity. If you went thinner, it might drop faster. Selector valve could be leaking.

You have to remember, that if the bucket and or BH is left up and engine is shut down, The cylinders will be in a ram mode, the weight and length of the metal is trying to compress the fluid, and they will leak down, and you will not see any fluid.

Cylinders have o-rings and seals that can help seal the cylinders, but the valve, at least most of them have no o-rings, and rely on the tolerance of the manufacture to specify valve leakage. As the valves with out o-rings get worn, they will leak more, until you have to replace the valve. O-ring valves can be rebuilt, almost good as new.

You can determine the leakage by observing the fluid from the out hose on any valve setup. Most people are not willing to do this, but if you installed a tee, and a needle or gate valve in the out fitting of the valve, you will have a test port. Here is how you would test. With the needle valve open, and a cap still on the tee, raise the FEL up, and shut off the engine. Remove the cap off the tee and put a hose on it and place in a clean 5 gal container. Close off the gate or needle valve. You can figure the volume that a hyd cylinder contains, and if the valve is leaking, then you should see that fluid in the container.

Some manufactures rate their valves by drops by minute, cc's/oz's by hour, etc.

Don't hold your breath, hoping the dealer will replace that new valve, because the bucket or the BH descends over night. If you can convince him it is excessive, and stay on him, he might replace it.

If you have the assets and time, you can take the valve off and take it to a good hydraulic shop, and tell them to test for pressure, relief pressure, and the leakage rate.
 
   / Kubota 3130 GST hydraulic bleeding? #3  
I agree on the viscosity of the oil making a difference in the drop but for what we have found it normally is the cylinders that will be leaking by!
 
   / Kubota 3130 GST hydraulic bleeding? #4  
I agree on the viscosity of the oil making a difference in the drop but for what we have found it normally is the cylinders that will be leaking by!

I agree, and using the test above, if no or very little fluid is in the bucket, then the cylinders are bypassing. You could do the shutoff valve on each cyl to determine which one.
 

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