Kioti vs Mahindra

   / Kioti vs Mahindra #21  
I haven't looked at a 4110. The one I looked at a 4500 and a DK40 Kioti. IMHO the Mahindra was tops in fit, finish and creature comforts (without driving either one). Beauty is strictly in the eye of the beholder, whether it be pretty girls or tractors.

TBone
 
   / Kioti vs Mahindra #22  
<font color=blue> Beauty is strictly in the eye of the beholder, whether it be pretty girls or tractors.</font color=blue>

She may be pretty, but can she cook???
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#23  
Weight is a factor for my use...I live on the edge of a marsh and there are certain times of the year when a tractor will have to tread lightly. So I am looking for a 35hp in a lighter tractor...I can always add weight, but I can only make it so light When it's dry, I don't think I will push it so hard that the 4x4 traction won't handle it. Am I fooling myself?
 
   / Kioti vs Mahindra #24  
David-
4wd will definitely help you navigate your marsh in any situation (wet or dry), but it isn't a "magic bullet" and won't get you out of everything. (Another thread has a bunch of fellows complaining about 4wd - some of their statements I agree with, some I don't - but that's a different discussion....)

It sounds like your big concern is burying your tractor. Sinking is directly related to the "loading" of the tire contact patch with the land surface - e.g. weight vs. contact patch area, where "traction" is a much "stickier" subject. /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif.

If you have a lower loading value, the more likely you are to "float" (although "float" in reality may really mean "sink more slowly" /w3tcompact/icons/sad.gif). Of course, there are 2 ways to lower this value - lower the vehicle weight (as we have been discussing) or increase contact patch (i.e. wider tires).

All else being equal (weight, tire surface area, tread pattern, tire material, etc.), if your marsh area is mucky on top but relatively solid underneath, then weight could actually work in your favor, allowing your tires can "cut through" and "grab" the layer of soil that would provide you more traction, allowing you to move through the area more easily and take "bigger bites" or pull implements more easily.

Again, all things being equal, if the mucky part of your marsh is 4 feet deep, a heavier tractor will sink you up to your axles faster than light tractor (it is still possible to sink a "light" tractor too).

If a 15 hp motor on "Tractor X" will "spin the tires", a 35 hp motor on the same tractor will not give you any additional benefit. This is far more likely to happen in a muddy/mucky situation because the coefficients of friction (both static and dynamic) are much lower than "normal" soil, hence you have less traction. The only time you'd see any real benefit of 35 hp over something lower would be where the HP can be effectively transferred to the ground - such as in a "normal" soil situation.

It really boils down to the surface area/weight value you want per your marsh situation. A wider tire will have more surface area, hence the loading per sq. in. of surface area will be lower. Conversely, a narrower tire will have a higher surface area loading. "Adjusting" (or really choosing) the weight of the tractor really just changes the other variable in the equation.

For all-out traction, you simply can't beat an Ag tire - but there are definite down sides (Ag tires will tear up the soil - don't even THINK about using them NEAR your lawn - /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif ) Since they are generally narrower than your construction or turf tires, they will sink in soft soil faster (bad if you want to float). They aren't for everyone - but something to consider if you want pure traction. After all, the "average" farmer uses Ag tires because he is doing activities that require putting a lot of HP to the ground. (Granted, some are wider than others, but they all have a pretty aggressive tread.)

Of course, all of the above is simplified and there are always exceptions, but it really boils down to (1) what type of marsh you have, and (2) what do you plan on doing in/on/around it.
 
   / Kioti vs Mahindra #25  
There are implimints ( like my 8x8 heavy drag harrow ) that my smaller yanmar 1700 had the HP to pull, but lacked the weight to turn!, as the drag made the front end way light.. even with a weighted bumper on the front. My much heavier NH1920 has no problems.. and it isn't the extra 13 hp.. it is the extra 1600 lbs that made the difference.

Soundguy


<font color=blue> "know I wouldn't get things done nearly as quickly if it didn't have the weight it does have (i.e smaller "bites" would be required). Of course, 4wd has made a BIG impact in the traction department too, but that's another conversation.... "
 
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#26  
I'm a former sales manager of a tractor dealership carrying Kioti, Mahindra, Millinium/Scorpion by TYM, Massey Fergusen, Valtra and Century brands. I still do week-end duty just because I love involvement with the industry. It's like working at a big boy's toy store.

I purchased the Tong Yang (TYM) T390 last November for my personal use which is for all practical purposes identical to the Mahindra (Tong Yang produces the Mahindra compact line), with the exception of using a Kubota engine vs the Dae Dong (Kioti) engine. If financing had been the major issue I would have gone with the Mahindra due to them buying down the interest rate.

Personally, I believe the Mahindra is the better tractor due to the heavier frame, much better tilt steering mechanism, crank style leveling on 3-pt hitch, easier accessability to engine compartment for service, better fit and finish, 12-speed shuttle transmission vs 8-speed shuttle on Kioti, much smoother shifting transmission, and shorter turning radius. Driving the Mahindra compared to any other make (I've used them all) is noticably smoother.

With all that said the real determining factor is the dealer. If I had a full service Kioti dealer close by and was 100+ miles from the Mahindra dealer I would buy the Kioti.

Once we picked up the Mahindra line we started selling 3 of them to all the others combined.
 
   / Kioti vs Mahindra #27  
friend of mine just bought a 55 hp Mahindra (2wd) with a fel.it might be a 5150 or something like that.any how this thing is a beast...defenatly over kill..all the parts are SUPER hd..4 cyl diesel...made by Mahindra..(so the block says)He knew i was looking for a 4x4 for a while and went to a Mahindra dealer south of Vermillion,Oh...checked out a 4140 (40 hp) 4x4..fel (brush hog brand) $16,000 out the door..only turn off was it seems to have a hydralic accumlator..right side foward of the rear tire..below the frame.fel lower arms go under this..aprox 8" ground clearance.before i jump i want to check out a DK 40 Kioti.... Sid
 
   / Kioti vs Mahindra #28  
It's kind of confusing reading through all the posts but,in regards to engines.It is Mahindra that uses Kioti(Daedong) engines in some of their Korean models(not the other way around),so apparently Mahindra is impressed with Kioti's engineering too.This is not under license from Kubota as someone stated,there is no connection between Kioti and Kubota but, the color makes people think that there is............Mike
 
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#29  
Northcreek-Regarding the confusion due to color-With the color fixation some people have with color, does that mean that the Kubota is actually the son of the orange colored Case that I used to drive for my grandfather 50 years ago? I guess we can then say that if Darwin was right, our Kiotis have reached the highest evolutionary level yet! Can I get an amen to that?
 
   / Kioti vs Mahindra #30  
If I were you, I would definitely look at all the makes you are interested in. That being said, I think my Mahindra 4110 is one awesome machine. The power combined with the weight and comfort make this a great tractor. The only thing I would have done different is to look at different loaders other than the Mahindra loader it came with. I believe there are better designs out there.
 
   / Kioti vs Mahindra #31  
<font color=blue>"Can I get an amen to that?"</font color=blue>

AAAAAAAAAAAAAmen! but,you forgot the missing link,the Husky chain saw..........Mike

PS Orange was always my least favorite tractor color but,it grows on you after awhile.Now what to do with all that International 2150 red paint.
 
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#32  
You know, it didn't even occur to me but before I bought the Kioti, I bought a Husqvarna chain saw! There is power in Orange.
 
   / Kioti vs Mahindra #33  
Dear Tractorman,
How long have you been a Century Dealer and how do they compare to Mahindra, Kioti etc. In features, price, quality etc?
Thanks
Chipperman
PS where are you located?
 
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#34  
We've been selling Century for about a year. Actually, we're able to sell the Century for less than the Mahindra. I personally like the Mahindra and would buy it even if it were a thousand dollars more. Century has gotten a boost since they are building engines for Caterpillar. If you drive both you'll find the steering wheel on the Century to be to vertical and you have to reach to get a comfortable hold on it. For my money Mahindra is the company to bet on in the U.S. market. They will be like Kubota in ten years. Their product is already better in my opinion.
 

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