Buying Advice kioti ck35hst sizing

[Gittyup]

Here's one

WR Long Bucket Grapple

There are many more

 

[MtnViewRanch]

A 4n1 for a CK is going to run close to $3000 by the time that you get the bucket and 3rd function. That is why the small price difference for the CK to the DK. The OP said that the DK was priced without the 4n1. I agree that the DK is waaaaaaay more tractor. But without knowing more, maybe the DK is the wrong tractor for the guy. :confused3:

 

[Gittyup]

A 4n1 for a CK is going to run close to $3000 by the time that you get the bucket and 3rd function. That is why the small price difference for the CK to the DK. The OP said that the DK was priced without the 4n1. I agree that the DK is waaaaaaay more tractor. But without knowing more, maybe the DK is the wrong tractor for the guy. :confused3:

Yep. That's why I questioned what he wanted a 4n1 for, and suggested the grapple options. Depends on intended uses, I guess.

 

[tedhrs]

Yep. That's why I questioned what he wanted a 4n1 for, and suggested the grapple options. Depends on intended uses, I guess.

I have a horse farm. Mostly would use the 4in1 for cleaning up brush, tree branches and leftover hay from round bales.

I currently own a 1976 ford 2600...really anything is an improvement for me.

I like the bucket grapple idea.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I have a horse farm. Mostly would use the 4in1 for cleaning up brush, tree branches and leftover hay from round bales.

I currently own a 1976 ford 2600...really anything is an improvement for me.

I like the bucket grapple idea.

If these are the intended purposes for the 4n1, forget the 4n1 and get a grapple similar to one of these.


You will be better served with a full on grapple IMO.

 

[IslandTractor]

If these are the intended purposes for the 4n1, forget the 4n1 and get a grapple similar to one of these.

You will be better served with a full on grapple IMO.

X2. I own a DK40se,a light duty 48" grapple and a WRLong 4n1. The first two are a fantastic combo for ripping and moving brush. The 4n1 just sucks for that type of work. I can lift enough brush in one bite with my grapple that I can almost fill a 4x8 staked trailer with two or three loads in three minutes or less. It would take fifteen minutes and about that many loads with the 4n1. The fundamental issue for the 4n1 is that the clamping geometry doesn't allow you to compress and hold large loads. It works fine for one log but cannot hold two if the larger log happens to be on top. If the clamping on the 4n1 isn't tight the load falls out. And, it is hard to see what you are grabbing as the 4n1 has a solid back that blocks you view. The grapple is more like a big scoop with a thumb that just holds the load steady so you can keep cramming stuff into the maw of the grapple and then drop the upper grapple arm to just hold it in place. A bit awkward to describe but night and day difference for brush and logs.

The only real reason for a 4n1 bucket IMO is if you are working far away from where you store the tractor and implements. Otherwise just go back to the barn and put either the standard bucket or grapple. A contractor trailering to a job site is a good candidate for a 4n1 but anyone working ten minutes from home base is better served by just the standard bucket and a separate grapple. Not only is the two implement system more effective than a 4n1 but it is a lot cheaper too. I have my grapple mounted about 80% and use the 4n1 about 10% of the time, almost always only when the backhoe is mounted so I can dig out a stump, lift and move it with the 4n1 and then use the bucket to fill in the stump hole and smooth the soil.

 

[Gittyup]

Good advice from folks that know. The Kioti should be quick-attach. You would be able to change from bucket to grapple in about a minute or two without tools. The bolt on grapple is more sensible if you have a none-QA bucket. The BOG does cost less. But if doing significant grapple work, the grapple attachment is the way to go.

 

[tedhrs]

I've decided on the DK40SE, but just waiting for the dealer to get one in. He has one on order that was supposed to be here last week. It has the Shuttle Shift transmission. I've never used one of those so i'm not sure how i would like it. I have used the hydrostatic drive before and love that.

 

[murphy1244]

Tell him you want a DK-40 SE HST with both rear remotes.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I don't wish to cause problems here, so take this for the :2cents: that it might be worth. Do yourself a favor and order a DK40 HST and be done with it. Don't forget to get both rear remotes and be sure to spec out that you want AT LEAST one of them with the float function.

Good luck.

 

[tedhrs]

I don't wish to cause problems here, so take this for the :2cents: that it might be worth. Do yourself a favor and order a DK40 HST and be done with it. Don't forget to get both rear remotes and be sure to spec out that you want AT LEAST one of them with the float function.

Good luck.

Explain to me the need for more than 1 remote. And what is this talk of a float function?

 

[murphy1244]

Explain to me the need for more than 1 remote. And what is this talk of a float function?

I use 1 remote for grapple and the other for hydraulic top link. I was told Kioti's remotes do not have a float option.

 

[tedhrs]

I use 1 remote for grapple and the other for hydraulic top link. I was told Kioti's remotes do not have a float option.

I was gonna go with just the 1 to start. I was thinking of using it for the grapple as well....as i see it, if the tractor has an extra set of with the valve already in place, why spend the $800 for the electric one.

How do you like the setup using this valve for the grapple? Did you have to do any mods to make it work?

 

[IslandTractor]

I was gonna go with just the 1 to start. I was thinking of using it for the grapple as well....as i see it, if the tractor has an extra set of with the valve already in place, why spend the $800 for the electric one.

How do you like the setup using this valve for the grapple? Did you have to do any mods to make it work?

I have 2 rear remotes and if I were using one for the grapple, I'd want at least one other for a hydraulic topping lift. If I were using a box blade regularly or maintaining a road, I'd want two extras for the topping lift and the tilt function.

My DK has a separate diverter valve for the grapple but I was very happy using the rear remote on my CK20 to control the grapple. Indeed, truth be told, I preferred the remote to my current set up. No modifications needed. Just get the correct length of hose and fittings then rig it and zip tie everything into place. You can be grappling within twenty minutes of starting the project and it will take longer to get the fittings on the hoses than it will to route and secure the hoses from rear to grapple. Once you try it out you can decide whether to make more permanent mounting fittings. In three years with my CK doing a ton of grapple work, I never bothered to replace the zip ties. Zero problems.

 

[Coyote machine]

Explain to me the need for more than 1 remote. And what is this talk of a float function?

Float is built into the joystick functions, on the DK-40se/hst.
I use a grapple and have both rear remotes to allow me to use the Top-N-Tilt for the box blade. I got them through Brian at Mtn. View Ranch. My setup includes a diverter valve which allows me to mount a momentary button on the joystick shaft to control open/close on the grapple, or left swing, right swing on my plow. It is the best of all worlds, IMHO. Best to get the second remote installed when you buy the tractor, if you see yourself using lots of implements - it will likely get you the best price point available.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Explain to me the need for more than 1 remote. And what is this talk of a float function?

As has been explained, the 2nd rear remote can be used for a hydraulic side link, a VERY good thing if you do much grading at all, or for a grapple vs getting the diverter valve or true 3rd function. All personal preference.

As far as the float function, I have heard that it is available on the DKs and we have seen it for a fact that it is available on the CKs. I can't imagine that you can get it on a CK and not a DK. :confused3: There are several places where it sure is nice to have the float function on one of if not both of the top & tilt cylinders for the 3pt hitch.

 

[tedhrs]

As has been explained, the 2nd rear remote can be used for a hydraulic side link, a VERY good thing if you do much grading at all, or for a grapplje vs getting the diverter valve or true 3rd function. All personal preference.

As far as the float function, I have heard that it is available on the DKs and we have seen it for a fact that it is available on the CKs. I can't imagine that you can get it on a CK and not a DK. :confused3: There are several places where it sure is nice to have the float function on one of if not both of the top & tilt cylinders for the 3pt hitch.

Wow...that's a heck of a valve back there. I don't have the need for that stuff. My 3 point work is mostly bush hog, round bale spear and a chain harrow drag for pastures and riding arena.

 

[dustinfox]

I paid $18,500 for the same deal on my CK35HST a year and a half ago back in October of 2011. I'm sure prices have gone up so it is in the ball park but maybe on the high side. Guess it depends on your area and how much prices have gone up during that time.

 

[tedhrs]

I priced all of the tractors here all at the same size...well as close as I could get all spec'd closely...all hydro drives, 4x4, etc...

Kubota L3940 - $30500
John Deere 3720 - $31500
Massey 1640 - $28500
LS R4041 - $23400
NH boomer 40 - 26500
Bobcat CT 440 - $24000
Kioti DK40SE just - $21800

Just comparing for prices here....this was discounts and dealer incentive pricing, so really the price I would be paying.

 

[murphy1244]

Well sounds like Kioti Dk 40. Cant believe its 9k cheaper than the Kubota.