just got 25d costs

[AxleHub]

Hi folks,

I just got the following-costs for the 25d. Any thoughts on whether or it's a fair price?

Hydraulic chute option (installed) $895

Jonohio. Your new bx25d-1 price quote is very attractive although the chute unit for the snowblower seems high.

But you may want to ask yourself a question. Why is this price so attractive compared to what others have paid earlier this year ?

The answer may not be about your dealer's generosity or Kubota's generosity. It may be because a lack of dynamic braking has forced alternative choices by other new product buyers like myself.

Your pricing is very good . . and if your purpose is flat land . . maybe you can tolerate having little or no dynamic braking. But if you will be using it on slopes and hills and inclines . . then I would suggest no decision until you test drive the unit on comparable downhill slopes like you would have with the backhoe on and off. And . . . tighten your seatbelt.

 

[AxleHub]

Let me be crystal clear: JohnThomas's lack of dynamic braking is barely tolerable for him and he's on flat land activities. If I had no dynamic braking . . I'd never be able to use the tractor because it is a major issue not having dynamic braking on slopes and hills and inclines.
Sort of not so. I have some flat rental property with six septic tanks therefore need a BH but my home acreage is almost all hillside and sloping. I have cut out a flat spot for a 24'x48' storage building and am this minute waiting for 25 tons of gravel to spread out on it with the BX25 which will do the job with no issues. It does not keep rolling at speed when the pedal is released, it stops, almost which in a real close situation can be a few inches to far to the point of hitting something but never a danger of the run away tractor. It jus doesn't totally stop on a dime when the go pedal is released like all other HSTs.
Interesting tid bit of info or question. Who or what Company currently owns most of Massey?

Greetings John Thomas,

I apologize if I overstated how tolerable your situation is on flat land. But reading your intensions to trade your new unit as soon as you can get an acceprable price does not sould like a tolerable situation to me

On another topic . . if you have some decent slopes (say 10 or 15 degrees or more) . . are you required to use your brake going down those slopes

a. With a fel on

b. With the fel off

In my case one of my worst lawn slopes (about 19 degrees) my massey gc does not need the brake applied with or without fel on.

 

[check]

So, Who has talked to Kubota directly about this, and have they replied or come up with any explanation or plan?

 

[check]

Spoke to my dealer just now, and he sad it is an eccentric adkustment, and has sold 40 of these BX25Ds and only had one come back.

 

[AxleHub]

So, Who has talked to Kubota directly about this, and have they replied or come up with any explanation or plan?

A couple other big questions are:

1. Is it a certain batch or time-of-build group of BX25D-1 units?

2. Are there batches or time-of-build groups of BX18, BX23, or BX26. 70-1s that also are displaying the same loss of dynamic braking?

And based on the product pricing Jonah showed . . I'm guessing Kubota either:

A. Knows the problem has effected sales and is drastically cutting prices

Or

B. Kubota has no clue why inventory is piling up . . and is noticing competition is gaing ground . . . something new for Kubota.

 

[AxleHub]

Spoke to my dealer just now, and he sad it is an eccentric adkustment, and has sold 40 of these BX25Ds and only had one come back.

Interesting . . so your dealer doesn't know what the level of satisfaction is or isn't on the other 39 ?

 

[sixdogs]

A couple other big questions are:

1. Is it a certain batch or time-of-build group of BX25D-1 units?

2. Are there batches or time-of-build groups of BX18, BX23, or BX26. 70-1s that also are displaying the same loss of dynamic braking?

And based on the product pricing Jonah showed . . I'm guessing Kubota either:

A. Knows the problem has effected sales and is drastically cutting prices

Or

B. Kubota has no clue why inventory is piling up . . and is noticing competition is gaing ground . . . something new for Kubota.

I have noticed that some Kubota dealers were getting a little sloppy. They gave you a price and expected the tractor to sell itself and you with it. Some didn't want to deal very much, if at all and maybe that caught up with them or at least is catching up with them? Oh, Massey Ferguson is owned by Agco, a Canadian company.

 

[check]

Interesting . . so your dealer doesn't know what the level of satisfaction is or isn't on the other 39 ?

Nope. (But I didn't think to ask, either.) And most stores don't. They just judge customer satisfaction by whether or not they get complaints.

 

[coveredbridge]

Spoke to my dealer just now, and he sad it is an eccentric adkustment, and has sold 40 of these BX25Ds and only had one come back.

"eccentric adkustment"?

 

[AxleHub]

They just judge customer satisfaction by whether or not they get complaints.

In the sales and marketing business . . what you describe is called " failure marketing". Its considered a poor method of opinion and worst source of accurate information because it doesn't focus on image confidence or future potential. Its also a sign of a business that must find lots of new customers because repeat business is not prized or fertilized.

Its quite inaccurate because it doesn't gauge or measure satisfaction vs. mere tolerance vs. Intolerance. And it doesn't improve add-on sales possibilities or customer interactions.

Lastly . . Its a tough environment for emloyees because its not nearly as fun . . because its pessimism based instead of optimism based . . or its an overworked basis that doesn't have the time to followup on customers.

In terms of time spent and costs created . . repeat sales is the most profitable sales and typically the most personally rewarding for sales and setvice employees.

 

[Code54]

I don't know of any tax advantage for an honest homeowner to trade.

Thank you Sir

 

[Code54]

Tonight when I was out mowing and was playing around a little on our BX25D on our slopes and found the following.

I had the Mid mount mower and my Cyclone rake hooked to the machine (not sure what the rake weighs but it had at LEAST 1 foot of grass clippings in it and it is the 10hp (largest) model so at least a few 100 pounds)

On the flat in low if I left off I would stop pretty much instantly but maybe move up to 6" if I left off the pedal slowly and not just pulled my foot up.

On 10-15 degree it would creep down the hill Very slowly but little back pressure on the HST pedal or the brake would stop it.

I went to a little over 20 degrees and had basically the same results.

I jumped on my larger MX and went on the 20ish degree slope and stopped (Loader on but nothing in it, no trailer or anything on the 3pt, it has a 3 range HST tranny and I was in Medium - my normal working gear) and it did stop but then slowly started to inch downward - I had to apply the brake or hit the HST pedal slightly backward to totally stop the movement.

Anyway just wanted to give everyone an example of how our BX behaves so they can decide if theres is the same or different. By no means do I feel it is dangerous to operate or a threat to my or my families health. Actually my 14 year old commonly uses it and never so much as bumped into anything or had any issues in our case.

Hope this helps....

 

[AxleHub]

Tonight when I was out mowing and was playing around a little on our BX25D on our slopes and found the following.

I had the Mid mount mower and my Cyclone rake hooked to the machine (not sure what the rake weighs but it had at LEAST 1 foot of grass clippings in it and it is the 10hp (largest) model so at least a few 100 pounds)

On the flat in low if I left off I would stop pretty much instantly but maybe move up to 6" if I left off the pedal slowly and not just pulled my foot up.

On 10-15 degree it would creep down the hill Very slowly but little back pressure on the HST pedal or the brake would stop it.

I went to a little over 20 degrees and had basically the same results.

I jumped on my larger MX and went on the 20ish degree slope and stopped (Loader on but nothing in it, no trailer or anything on the 3pt, it has a 3 range HST tranny and I was in Medium - my normal working gear) and it did stop but then slowly started to inch downward - I had to apply the brake or hit the HST pedal slightly backward to totally stop the movement.

Anyway just wanted to give everyone an example of how our BX behaves so they can decide if theres is the same or different. By no means do I feel it is dangerous to operate or a threat to my or my families health. Actually my 14 year old commonly uses it and never so much as bumped into anything or had any issues in our case.

Hope this helps....

Just to clarify . . You have the bx25d and not the bx25d-1 ??

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

Greetings John Thomas,

I apologize if I overstated how tolerable your situation is on flat land. But reading your intensions to trade your new unit as soon as you can get an acceprable price does not sould like a tolerable situation to me :
If you believe my trading because I hate the machine, then you haven't read very many of my posts. I'll trade because the weather changes, well, maybe not that easily. My BX25D-1 stops just like any HST I've owned on level, going down hill, loaded or not loaded except at the point of actual stop it goes some more. I drove down to the end of my street yesterday and stopped in the cul de sac which is ALMOST level. Stopped almost, tapped reverse, stopped, started rolling slowly, tapped reverse, stopped, started rolling and did this about 5 times. It would start rolling again on near level paved street in rabbit. Going up and down one of my steep gravel drives and let off and it slowed down just like every other HST I've owned but then would start slowly rolling in 4wd and turtle. Other HSTs have sort of moved in the same situation or a slow jerky creep forward unless brake is applied. It's not dangerous, it stops almost just like any other HST at moving speed except at slow precision stopping it just keeps going at a slow, slow, slow speed which makes for bad precision stopping like all my other HSTs. It's different than all my other HSTs. It works correctly in reverse noticed yesterday and believe it worked correctly in reverse after the mechanic adjusted it at Barlows. It's not dangerous for stopping, it stops just like any HST except for the slight slow roll on at the end or should be end. [/ B]

 

[Johnkn]

Seems that many Kubota threads and virtually any thread related to BX-25 is being derailed into the "My BX25 doesn't stop the way I think it should" thread. This thread started off with a simple question as to whether a dealer-quoted price was thought to be reasonable, then immediately took an off-topic left turn to braking issues.
JOHNTHOMAS, while it's tempting and easy to take shots at people in forums, my intension is not to be either rude or sarcastic. Please sir take your BX back to the dealership where you've purchased so many Kubotas and tell them to call you when it operates as intended. If the dealer and/or Kubota cannot or will not affect the repair to your satisfaction, then request your money back, or pursue in court or via any U.S. Government agency that might oversee your tractor's condition. Better yet, go to your dealer and test drive a few new BX-25s until you find one that operates to your satisfaction and demand a reasonable trade. Clearly we won't be able to enjoy these forums the way they are intended and stay on topic until your situation is remedied and you are again happy. Good luck....

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

JOHNTHOMAS, while it's tempting and easy to take shots at people in forums, my intension is not to be either rude or sarcastic. I don't believe this. These types of remarks always come from an anonomyous person that won't fill out their profile to let those of us on the forum know who they are and where they are from, like you.
Please sir I'va always considered it an insult when someone disagrees with me and starts out or throws in SIR which is obviously still a valid observation take your BX back to the dealership where you've purchased so many Kubotas and tell them to call you when it operates as intended. If the dealer and/or Kubota cannot or will not affect the repair to your satisfaction, then request your money back, or pursue in court or via any U.S. Government agency that might oversee your tractor's condition. Better yet, go to your dealer and test drive a few new BX-25s until you find one that operates to your satisfaction and demand a reasonable trade.I don't need your advise on dealing with a purchase issue. I've bought/traded/sold around 20 Kubotas.
Clearly we Who's we? You speak for the forum? Your now a Moderator? won't be able to enjoy these forums the way they are intended And how long have you been on this forum and making contributions for the pleasure and education of others on the forum?and stay on topic until your situation is remedied and you are again happy. Good luck....

You didn't even start this thread and your telling others how to participate? Threads start and get off track often and it's a normal part of any forum. If the original question were never answered it would be different but it was and other BX25 owners and potential owners have concerns which they have expressed here. If you don't like it the best solution is to not open the thread or skip and parts or people you don't want to hear from. You do know you can block my name and never see anything I post, don't you?

 

[Johnkn]

JOHNTHOMAS, while it's tempting and easy to take shots at people in forums, my intension is not to be either rude or sarcastic. I don't believe this. These types of remarks always come from an anonomyous person that won't fill out their profile to let those of us on the forum know who they are and where they are from, like you.
Please sir I'va always considered it an insult when someone disagrees with me and starts out or throws in SIR which is obviously still a valid observation take your BX back to the dealership where you've purchased so many Kubotas and tell them to call you when it operates as intended. If the dealer and/or Kubota cannot or will not affect the repair to your satisfaction, then request your money back, or pursue in court or via any U.S. Government agency that might oversee your tractor's condition. Better yet, go to your dealer and test drive a few new BX-25s until you find one that operates to your satisfaction and demand a reasonable trade.I don't need your advise on dealing with a purchase issue. I've bought/traded/sold around 20 Kubotas.
Clearly we Who's we? You speak for the forum? Your now a Moderator? won't be able to enjoy these forums the way they are intended And how long have you been on this forum and making contributions for the pleasure and education of others on the forum?and stay on topic until your situation is remedied and you are again happy. Good luck....

You didn't even start this thread and your telling others how to participate? Threads start and get off track often and it's a normal part of any forum. If the original question were never answered it would be different but it was and other BX25 owners and potential owners have concerns which they have expressed here. If you don't like it the best solution is to not open the thread or skip and parts or people you don't want to hear from. You do know you can block my name and never see anything I post, don't you?

OP, my apologies on where this went in your thread. I won't post here again.

JOHNTHOMAS, I was raised to treat people with respect and address them by Sir, yet you consider that an insult then choose to objurgate me on this Forum. That's an issue you will need to deal with Sir, not me. The fact is that you have made it your personal vendetta to take virtually every recent BX25 thread and turn it into your "woe is me, I don't like the brakes on my tractor" thread while suggesting that all recent BX25s exhibit the issues you claim yours does. My (unsolicited) advice Sir is to either address and fix the problem with your tractor or stop whining about it here.

 

[nikerret]

A quote I got on March 24, 2015 was for:

Kubota BX25D-1 with 12" bucket, 3 Pt kit ($185), 60" mower ($1,870), rear quick hitch QH05 ($180), front quick attach ($255), and rear blade RB0560 ($390).

Prices were: $18,825 Cash / $19,390 Finance

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

A quote I got on March 24, 2015 was for:

Kubota BX25D-1 with 12" bucket, 3 Pt kit ($185), 60" mower ($1,870), rear quick hitch QH05 ($180), front quick attach ($255), and rear blade RB0560 ($390).

Prices were: $18,825 Cash / $19,390 Finance

A really good price. I paid $17500 financed for a BX25D-1 with none of the implements (add ons) you've listed and it was a Kubota promotional price at the time. Mine has an issue that makes me unsatisfied due to it being different than the other 15 or so Kubota HSTs I've bought/owned/own but doubt it has anything to do with the price.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

every once and awhile I read a thread that's some sort of wild internet frenzy that does not at all correlate to what we see out in the market place. This is one of those threads.