John Deere wasting their $$$

milkman · Jul 9, 2007

excelagator said:
My JD 2210 is a Yanmar, I bought that over a BX 23. No-bleed refuel and 200 pound more than the Kubota FEL sold me. My JD is made in Japan too.Dan

BX is no bleed refuel also, and the smoke and mirrors advertising hype over lift capacity has been discussed here also.

dannydan3 · Jul 9, 2007

ArtVandelay said:
I don't know why, but for some reason it seems that Japan always makes the highest quality vehicles and electronics.

Best cars available? Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan/Infiniti

Best TVs available? Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, Mitsubishi, Hitachi

Wow, I didn't mean to take us all Deere hunting.
But one thing about Japanese quality, I think that here in the USA, we are still capable of producing the world's best quality goods, but uppermanagement just doesn't seem to care about anything but next quarter's stock performance. Something I have always maintained since my first job is the thought that no one knows how to do the job better than the person that does the work all day long, every day.
Management has become very detached from that basic principal these days, preferring the fashionable quality initiative of the day.

Now off my soapbox and back onto my tractor....

DiezNutz · Jul 9, 2007

I can't believe "no-bleed refuel" would be a deciding factor in making a tractor purchase... if a FUEL GAUGE is more than you can handle, I have to wonder whether you should be allowed out in public unsupervised, let alone given the keys to a tractor. That needle moves pretty darn slow after all ...

riptides · Jul 9, 2007

DiezNutz said:
I can't believe "no-bleed refuel" would be a deciding factor in making a tractor purchase... if a FUEL GAUGE is more than you can handle, I have to wonder whether you should be allowed out in public unsupervised, let alone given the keys to a tractor. That needle moves pretty darn slow after all ...

Every been out on hundreds of acres all day with your tractor? Those refueling stations get few and far between.

-Mike Z.

DiezNutz · Jul 9, 2007

riptides said:
Every been out on hundreds of acres all day with your tractor? Those refueling stations get few and far between

Can't say that I have, but the objective should be to avoid running out of fuel in the first place. Preparedness?

DiezNutz · Jul 9, 2007

Besides, a BX23 (or even a B3030) out working "hundreds of acres all day" might best be described as an extreme case of "delusional optimism"

riptides · Jul 9, 2007

DiezNutz said:
Besides, a BX23 (or even a B3030) out working "hundreds of acres all day" might best be described as an extreme case of "delusional optimism"

OK, then for your model and one of mine, the B30/78's can do about 5-10 acres at full 540rpms on one tank.

Ten acres is still a ways to walk my friend. Even with a mobile refuel/refresh station nearby.

I usually don't take my equipment back to the holding pen just for diesel as it wastes my time and diesel. I prefer to run them till they are almost dry.

No plan survives first contact with a field.

-Mike Z.

BillyP · Jul 9, 2007

DiezNutz said:
I can't believe "no-bleed refuel" would be a deciding factor in making a tractor purchase... if a FUEL GAUGE is more than you can handle, I have to wonder whether you should be allowed out in public unsupervised, let alone given the keys to a tractor. That needle moves pretty darn slow after all ...

What about when you change the fuel filter.

milkman · Jul 9, 2007

BillyP said:
What about when you change the fuel filter.

The BXs are still self bleeding.

BillyP · Jul 9, 2007

milkman said:
The BXs are still self bleeding.

I wasn't replying to what tractors were self bleeding. I was referring to why someone might want that feature.

DiezNutz · Jul 9, 2007

And I was referring as to whether or not it should be the deciding factor for buying tractor X vs. Y. Having owned a number of Diez-els without this feature, I'm using to cracking open a couple of injector lines after a filter change, doesn't bother me. Only ran one out of fuel once.

Agreed it's a nice feature, and I'll concede that you guys made your points. I'm just not sure it's a feature that alot of us are benefiting from. I know I've never been 10 acres from the jerry cans, and I'll bet that's true of alot of us TBN'ers. I'm getting more use out of the linch pin/shop rag/grease tube holder...I mean cupholder.

wil3404 · Jul 9, 2007

I thought this was a Kubota owners forum? I think we need a kubota VS. John Deere forum or better yet an Orange VS. Green forum.

Heck we all own tractors why argue? (other than for fun

) we should be talking about digging stumps and tearing up the neighbors yards instead. Riiiight that'll happen!

dannydan3 · Jul 10, 2007

wil3404 said:
I thought this was a Kubota owners forum? I think we need a kubota VS. John Deere forum or better yet an Orange VS. Green forum. Heck we all own tractors why argue? (other than for fun ) we should be talking about digging stumps and tearing up the neighbors yards instead. Riiiight that'll happen!

I agree - my 60" MMM seems to have quite an appetite for my neighbor's flowers along the edge of my property - wonder if it has anything to do with that giant poison ivy "tree" thing that she can't seem to identify and won't remove?
(golly, I must have gotten the fertilizer and the poison ivy killer spray mixed up, cause that thing sure looks like it needs to be watered or something)

I tried to be a good neighbor when I pointed out the fact that it was poison ivy.

wil3404 · Jul 10, 2007

See man thats what I'm talking about! Your actually helping your neighbor out by secretly removing the poision ivey "tree" and by helping contain the population of her of her flower garden

Podunkadunk · Jul 11, 2007

I'll chime in on the Jap vs. USA in production.

I spent some time in Japland while in the military. Without going into who makes the best product "x" or product "y", I'll say this:

In Japan, their culture dictates that the job makes the man. In other words, status is often judged by what you do and how well you do it. I'm not talking a few people, but the entire working population. My observations were that these people live to work, not work to live. They don't look forward to Friday (like the average American worker), they look forward to Monday. I'm not kidding folks, they are relentless in their pursuit of perfection...whether it be in automobiles, motorcycles, tractors, computer hardware, TV's...etc.

I just got off the phone with Mr. Bob Jones of Kubota, America. He is one of their "big-wigs" and works as an exec. in Kubota Parts Corp., he's been at Kubota for 23.5 years...nice guy...anyhow, he told me that 70% of Kubotas are Jap., 30% is other. Drivetrain, engine and all associated parts are Japanese manufactured, as well as the housing of said drivetrain and engine. He said you'd be hard pressed to find another manufacturer that can boast such numbers on parts which are built by the name of the manufacturer on the side of the tractor!

Oh yeah, my wife's 2007 Toyota 4runner was made, built and assembled entirely in Japland. (I added this because someone said in an earlier post something about jap vehicles not being all Japanese). All 4Runners have been built at Toyota's plant in Tahara, Aichi, Japan as well at Hino Motors' Hamura, Japan plant.

My Tacoma is made in Japan (all but the bed), but assembled at the New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI) production facility in Fremont, Calif. and Toyota Motor Manufacturing de Baja California (TMMBC) production facility in Tijuana, Baja Calif., Mexico.

Not bashing anyone's tractor that's not a Kubota, or anyone's preference in tractor's. I'm just reporting my "research".

I like all tractors. Maybe in 10 years I'll buy a JD...to start my "collection"

My opinion only...flame on.

Podunk

ArtVandelay · Jul 12, 2007

Podunkadunk said:
In Japan, their culture dictates that the job makes the man. In other words, status is often judged by what you do and how well you do it. I'm not talking a few people, but the entire working population. My observations were that these people live to work, not work to live. They don't look forward to Friday (like the average American worker), they look forward to Monday. I'm not kidding folks, they are relentless in their pursuit of perfection...whether it be in automobiles, motorcycles, tractors, computer hardware, TV's...etc.

And these are some of the reasons why Japan makes better cars, motorcycles, electronics, and compact utility tractors than America.

MessickFarmEqu · Jul 12, 2007

Podunkadunk said:
Drivetrain, engine and all associated parts are Japanese manufactured, as well as the housing of said drivetrain and engine. He said you'd be hard pressed to find another manufacturer that can boast such numbers on parts which are built by the name of the manufacturer on the side of the tractor!

Agreed with everything said. Kubota building Kubota tractors just makes sense, its whats giving them top notch quality at an extremely competitive price. Less middlemen to add expense and better control over quality.

riptides · Jul 12, 2007

MessickFarmEqu said:
Agreed with everything said. Kubota building Kubota tractors just makes sense, its whats giving them top notch quality at an extremely competitive price. Less middlemen to add expense and better control over quality.

Interesting that you said control over quality and not quality control.

That word control has more meaning than people realize in engineering and manufacturing.
Mike Z.

ByronBob · Jul 12, 2007

riptides said:
Interesting that you said control over quality and not quality control.

That word control has more meaning than people realize in engineering and manufacturing.
Mike Z.

It's hard not to think that quality is a given in all businesses today. JD, Kubota or any other major tractor company.

I don't understand prices being so different but when the delta is so big it just seems natural to buy the cheaper model.

dannydan3 · Jul 12, 2007

Podunkadunk said:
I'll chime in on the Jap vs. USA in production.

I spent some time in Japland while in the military. Without going into who makes the best product "x" or product "y", I'll say this:

In Japan, their culture dictates that the job makes the man. In other words, status is often judged by what you do and how well you do it. I'm not talking a few people, but the entire working population. My observations were that these people live to work, not work to live. They don't look forward to Friday (like the average American worker), they look forward to Monday. I'm not kidding folks, they are relentless in their pursuit of perfection...whether it be in automobiles, motorcycles, tractors, computer hardware, TV's...etc.

Wow, so we here in the US get to enjoy the best of the best, the Japanese work their lives away, we ge to enjoy the fruits of their labors, and we can put (hopefully) family and quality of life as priorities instead of one's work. Don't get me wrong, work can be very fulfilling and all, but more time off after all, is more seat time!!! (by the way, where the heck is my new BX seat?)
And I too have a 4Runner, great truck - I even had a Toyota mechanic tell me one day on the sly, that you WANT the Toyotas made in Japan...wonder why he said that? I was also lucky enough to get a '96 Camry that was made in Japan, that was the year they took over production temporarily while the US plants changed over for the '97's. Now I am old fashioned about my Japanese cars, I insist that they are made there.
Now back to the show....