john deere 535 baler

[crowman4086]

can you buy after market bearings for this baler or is it a strictly oem part. They have a hexigon shaft for bearing so may be a oem part. does anyone know

 

[kwswan]

I have bought replacements at the local carquest before as long as it is not the bearing that goes in the flange that bolts on.This is a different bearing than the others & is oem only.

 

[Tx Jim]

I have bought replacements at the local carquest before as long as it is not the bearing that goes in the flange that bolts on.This is a different bearing than the others & is oem only.

That is what JD want's people to believe. I've changed the brgs in the cast iron pillow block on my JD 467 which IIRC uses the same brg.

 

[kwswan]

That is what JD want's people to believe. I've changed the brgs in the cast iron pillow block on my JD 467 which IIRC uses the same brg.

I took this bearing to the parts store & it could not be matched at the time.I tried more than one source also with no luck,granted this was a few years ago,you might be able to now.

 

[ctlguy]

The bearing can be easily matched as a single unit. The reason Deere does not offer it seperate has to do with the spherical seating of the bearing. It is then checked horizonaly, vertically, and twice diagnally for the fit. This mostly has to do with controlling high loads of rotational torque. That being said is it that critical on a 535, or even a higher bale count 8 series machine? But have seen a fair amount of premature failure from improper seating of the bearing into the housing. I am not saying that Deere is right here, or that the avg joe can not get it close enough. just giving their reasoning for this brg assy style. There is nothing worse than losing a baler to a fire let alone the tractor it is hooked up to.

 

[cowski]

motion industries can match a lot of jd bearings.they used to be cheaper but the last time i checked on one they were higher.

 

[Tx Jim]

The bearing can be easily matched as a single unit. The reason Deere does not offer it seperate has to do with the spherical seating of the bearing.

I'm not a brg expert but can you explain what is different from changing the brg in the cast iron block and a flangette type? I'm aware that the cast block in question is marked "up".

 

[ctlguy]

When the bearing is spherically seated into the housing it is done under a specific amount of torque. That is the bearing is forcibly(sp?) turned inside the housing under that range. After is when it is verified to be mounted true in the housing. There are only a few instances where Deere does this. Drive rolls on Balers as well as some lower gate rolls and one of the upper idler rolls. Also used as a bearing on conditioner rolls for many mower conditioners. The thought is that when the pressure is that high a conventional seated bearing or a flangette bearing would not last as long. An example of where you would probably want to stick with the Deere seated version would be if you have more than 1/8 diff in diameter from top drive roll to bottom drive roll. Since they are driven off of the same chain the push/pul action is hard on all parts concerned. I have some where the old JD dealer release that explained a little more about how this bearing is seated. If I find it I will post.

 

[Tx Jim]

I have changed several brgs in the cast iron brackets and baled many bales with no apparent early failure of the replacement brgs. I've been doing this for over 20 yrs running JD rd balers in a custom hay baling business. In fact my 467 has one in it now that I changed last year on the brg on the bottom rubber coated drive roller. I can't see much difference as the cast iron bracket and flangettes are both self centering. One of he reasons the cast iron bracket is marked up is so the notches to aid brg installation are on the sides and not in a load bearing area such as the bottom.

 

[Tx Jim]

When the bearing is spherically seated into the housing it is done under a specific amount of torque. .

Can you enlighten me on what type of torque and how it's measured? All I do to replace a brg is tap the outside race at 90% to the cutouts to allow brg to turn and fall out of the bracket and then use a reverse procedure.

 

[ctlguy]

Sorry, I do not know the torque requirement or what tool is used. Never did say you could not just install a bearing and go down the road just trying to explain why Deere does not offer the bearing individually to the dealers. You have obviously figured out that you can put the bearing into the housing relativly straight. Would probably only take a dealer one or two times of a customer not installing correctly, ruining a side sheet or have a small fire before the dealer just says we will just sell the assy only as far as a warranted part. It's not the 99% that can get it close enough its the 1% that can't figure it out and have a tendency to cry the loadest when things come appart.

 

[Tx Jim]

Well my baler is a '05 model that I repair myself. IMHO that's what an laser thermometer is used for to detect hot brgs. If I had to pay $85 per hour every time something needed repaired I'd been out of the custom hay baling business a long time ago.

I did pose this brg/flange question on another tractor forum and a retied JD Ottumwa employee stated that the torque of brg installation was measured but he didn't know exactly how or what type tool was used.

 

[AKfish]

Well my baler is a '05 model that I repair myself. IMHO that's what an laser thermometer is used for to detect hot brgs. If I had to pay $85 per hour every time something needed repaired I'd been out of the custom hay baling business a long time ago.

I did pose this brg/flange question on another tractor forum and a retied JD Ottumwa employee stated that the torque of brg installation was measured but he didn't know exactly how or what type tool was used.

Only $85/hour?? Last time I checked it was $97/hour at the local JD shop. No idea, what they'd charge to come out to the field!

Laser thermometer... I'm guessing that you check the baler every now and again while your in the field - what's a normal op temp? When do you start getting a bit "antsy"?

Lastly, where can a fellow get ahold of one of those?

Thanks.

AKfish

 

[Tx Jim]

Shop rates vary from one location to another. Last summer I had a pick up cam break on my 467 rd baler and had to straighten 2 tooth bars from hitting an obstruction that wasn't supposed to be in the hay field. It took 4 hrs to remove pickup and strip it down to access the bent parts and 6 hrs to reassemble. It would have cost me $850+ at the dealership in labor that I saved. On the laser thermometer I just look at the average temp of all brgs and if one is abnormally higher temp then I replace it.
A burning rd baler isn't a pretty site. BTDT 3 things I recommend for operating a rd baler are water fire extinguisher, comprehensive insurance and laser thermometer.

 

[AKfish]

Shop rates vary from one location to another. Last summer I had a pick up cam break on my 467 rd baler and had to straighten 2 tooth bars from hitting an obstruction that wasn't supposed to be in the hay field. It took 4 hrs to remove pickup and strip it down to access the bent parts and 6 hrs to reassemble. It would have cost me $850+ at the dealership in labor that I saved. On the laser thermometer I just look at the average temp of all brgs and if one is abnormally higher temp then I replace it.
A burning rd baler isn't a pretty site. BTDT 3 things I recommend for operating a rd baler are water fire extinguisher, comprehensive insurance and laser thermometer.

Ouch..! That must have been a fair sized obstruction! I've had a fair number of broken teeth; but bent tooth bars is a whole 'nother category..

There's a number of round baler folk's up here that have water extinguisher' mounted right up front.

Comp insurance and laser thermometer are darn good ideas, too!

AKfish

 

[Tx Jim]

Water fire extinguisher is a necessity but not the total answer when a fire starts. BTDT and it was exiting to say the least. It will get one's ole ticker moving.

 

[vtsnowedin]

At first read I thought Tx Jim was confusing laser with infrared but looking at this add.
Klein Tools IR2000 12:1 Dual Laser Infrared Thermometer | Klein Tools
I see that you can get a infrared thermometer that has a laser to show you the exact spot you are measuring.
I've used infrared thermometers to measure hot top pavement mats but have never needed to be precise about which point I was measuring. Learn something new here every day.

 

[Tx Jim]

At first read I thought Tx Jim was confusing laser with infrared but looking at this add.

Thanks for checking my statement I strive to only state correct info but Oldtimers disease sometimes alters that fact. At my age confusion is a daily event.
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[vtsnowedin]

Thanks for checking my statement I strive to only state correct info but Oldtimers disease sometimes alters that fact. At my age confusion is a daily event.
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Getting there myself. I can remember useless trivia I picked up in highschool but can't remember the name of a guy I just met yesterday or where I laid down the checkbook..

 

[cowski]

Getting there myself. I can remember useless trivia I picked up in highschool but can't remember the name of a guy I just met yesterday or where I laid down the checkbook..

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