JD 790 runaway dieseling after start

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Qbdawg426

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John Deere 790
My JD 790 tractor sat for 8 or 9 months while I was out of state. When I start now, it idles for 1 or 2 minutes, then begins rapidly increasing rpm. Throttle has no effect. Cannot turn off with ignition key - engine continues to run away at 3000 rpm. Only way to stop is to block air intake. Tractor only has 350 hours on it. I put in fresh fuel and diesel additive. No change.
Any help would be appreciated.
 
   / JD 790 runaway dieseling after start #2  
Sounds as if the governor is stuck at wide open.
 
   / JD 790 runaway dieseling after start #3  
For one, sounds like the fuel shutoff solenoid is not working. And the throttle is sticking.

Welcome to TBN
 
   / JD 790 runaway dieseling after start #4  
Hiya,

First question: Is it a true runaway where it will overspeed higher and higher until it's choked out or does it go to governed RPM and stay there? If it runs away and doesn't stop, that's fuel being introduced outside of and/or in addition to the injector and pump system, if it runs up to max RPM and stays there, the issue is in the pump and it's components and controls.

Non mechanically induced Diesel runaways are from 2 causes, either a combustible mixing with the intake air then the compression lights it off OR fuel is being introduced into the cylinders at an abnormal rate. First thing I would look at is the oil level, is it really high? If the fuel tank is higher than the pump, the pressure head over time may have forced fuel to leak out of the injector shaft seal in the timing case and fill the crankcase. Such a dilute oil would slip by the rings and introduce extra fuel in the cylinders. (long shot but an easy check)

If the oil isn't diluted with fuel, is it the proper level and the engine has proper oil pressure? I ask because some Diesels use engine oil pressure the actuate the load/governor system, without oil pressure, the limiter can't pull the fuel back and the engine races to max RPM. Next I would inspect either a fuel pin/fuel cam in the pump. (Were there kids that "played" with the tractor that could have forced the hand throttle hard while playing?) Question: In the first minute it's running, while it's still idling "normal", if you "blip" the throttle up then pull it back to idle quickly does it return to idle normally or does it slowly slow down or stay at the elevated RPM until it starts climbing? If it comes back quick to idle, the return to idle stop is most likely functioning correctly. (This is also the same test hot rodders do when "turning the screw" on mechanical pumps so they don't cause a runaway, if they turn the screw in too much, the cam/pin goes over center and the engine runs up to the limiter.)

Another thought is a malfunctioning cold start assist, some Diesels overfuel the engine slightly and/or advance pump timing on cold start to increase RPM, if this engine has such a system, if it was adding fuel to the engine, it could cause a runaway like condition.

It's tough troubleshooting without being there but hopefully these give you some areas to check.

Tom
 
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For one, sounds like the fuel shutoff solenoid is not working. And the throttle is sticking.

Welcome to TBN

+1
On mine the fuel solenoid has two coils. One is on a timer and is used to open it, the other is weaker and is used to hold it open. I had to replace the solenoid once, but I can't remember if that actual valve was serviceable or not.
 
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Thanks for your reply and suggestions. Sorry for delay, but other stuff got in the way of tractor fixing...
Oil and oil pressure is ok. No kids have been playing on tractor.
After start, engine will idle for a couple of minutes, then increase rpm in about 10 or 15 seconds to max (pegged at 3000 rpm). If throttle is moved out of idle, engine begins increasing immediately, and runs away. Retarding throttle has no effect. I moved tractor slowly in low gear and at idle today, to see if loading the engine would have any effect. Engine still ran away, about 2 minutes after I stopped.
Any further suggestions greatly appreciated
 

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