JD 2305, or BX2360?

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ChuckinNH

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I'm thinking about upgrading my Legacy to one of these primarily for mowing, and material collection. A snowblower might be part of the picture too, but I have a loader on my larger tractor, and the 3pt hitch capacities are better too. I just think that these subcuts are better bang for the buck than most "garden tractors". So with mowing a somewhat rough, and obstacle filled yard, installation, and removal of the mmm, and collection systems in mind what do you all think? I'm interested in hearing about things the owners of the machines in question wish were different about their machines too. Also, I did a drive by of a Kubota place late this afternoon, and all he had there was a pile of BX2660's. What's up with that.......... is the price differential small enough for that to make sense?
 
/ JD 2305, or BX2360? #2  
Hi ChuckinNH,

I, too, was tossed up between a Kubota BX & a John Deere 2305. Since you own a larger tractor you already know about the importance of a dealer.

Also, as you probably know, sit in it and find out how hard/easy it is to get into & out of, and how hard/easy & convienent it is to operate the different levers; there are differences. This was one of the reasons I leaned towards the JD 2305, it just felt right to me. You mentioned, "collection systems", and I'm not sure of what you mean by that, but if you're thinking there may be times when you may not want to fire off the bigger tractor, or it's to big to get into a particular place, the JD2305 with it's FEL & backhoe really works great. I liked(and it's part of JD's advertisement) the ease of taking off & putting on the FEL & backhoe, plus I really can & do operate the backhoe at idle or just a little above, no problems.

You mentioned using the SCUT primarily for mowing. Well, originally that was the biggest problem. At the time I bought my JD2305(~2yrs. ago), the MMM had a hydraulic lift that was an option, in kit form and had to be installed by the dealer. Unfortunately, I was the first one and he had a H... of time with it! But, he kept at it, and I even had a JD field rep show up. Fortunately, the problems were taken care of,(at no cost to me), and it works great. As a matter of fact, I would suggest, paying extra to get the lift option. Sometimes, I swear, between mowings, rocks pop up out of the ground and being able to quickly raise and lower the deck is a plus! Another place where it's nice to easily raise the deck, is mowing over weeds in sections where you just haven't had the time to make into a yard, and the 2305 has the power to handle ugly weeds & briars. I'd also suggest getting "Gator blades", those things are great.

However, even though the lift & mower work great, taking the mower deck off & putting it on is a PIA. The actual connecting of the deck to the lift & the tractor is a piece of cake. However, that sucker is heavy! It's real easy to change the direction of the deck wheels in order to roll it in & out; but, you have to be on absolutely level ground in order to roll it. The gear box on top of the deck just barely clears the underneath of the tractor. And finally, connecting the drive shaft to the PTO is an even more PIA, even though that's what gives the deck the power I like. Consequently, I leave the deck on most of the time, unless I know I'm going to be working in an area that could be hazardous to the deck. And, yes I can operate the FEL & backhoe with the MMM still on.

Don't know what your situation is, or if you already have a backhoe, but if you have any thoughts about whether or not to get the backhoe, my vote would be yes. I originally got the backhoe because I was tired of the rental scene, and I was thinking of putting in a 60' retaining wall. The ability to use the backhoe whenever you want, for as long or as little as you want, without the pressure of wheather and rental time, feels oh so good! And, it's amazing how many things I've realized I can do just because I have the backhoe. Remember those rocks that I mentioned during mowing? Well, some of them really were buried bolders, like an iceberg just the tips were showing; they're history now! Bought a heavy landscape rake and wondered how I was going to unload it from the truck by myself...who said backhoes are used just for digging? All in all, I'm glad I did get the backhoe.


So, Chuck, you're right, the SCUT is more bang for the buck, really like my JD2305, and glad I have it.
 
/ JD 2305, or BX2360? #3  
I'll echo Ray's comments on the 2305... For just mowing I don't think you can go wrong with either machine - they are essentially the same thing. Small items are what pushed me into the JD. I preferred the location of the FEL joystick and the 'go forward/go backward' pedals, but all else was the same. The final decision on color was the wife's - the green paint better matches the olive green siding on the house. If you don't care either way then its only a matter of price as both machines will mow equally well.
 
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I have a JD 2305 with the 62" MMM and the collection system. I don't find it difficult at all to remove the mower deck, maybe it's because of the nice concrete floor in my workshop. I also don't understand the other issue about the hydraulic lift, the mower deck lifts with the 3pt control and that has been fine for me.

Some people complain about removing the collection system. Yes it is bolted to the back of the tractor. One modification I made was to tack weld the large nuts to the frame of the collection system. It's now a one hand operation using 1/2" air ratchet. This is much easier than trying to hold the bracket and use two wrenches at the same time.

I test drove a Kubota BX tractor before I bought the 2305. I just didn't like the foot controls. The BX would stop very abruptly and I found lifting my foot to get my heal on the reverse pedal was unnatural for me. To me this was the deciding point since most of the time I would be changing directions while mowing.

Nick
 
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'nickwarcol':

When did you get your 2305? Maybe using the 3pt. instead of one of the FEL controls is a change since I got mine? Do you happen to have any links or pictures showing this setup?
 
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I purchased a Kubota 2350 in june of 08. It's ok but if I where to buying now the 2305 deere would be what I would look at. The foot pedels on the deere would be much nicer.The neck jerking reverse on the kubota 2350 that they won't fix will keep me from buying another. However the 2360 don't have this problem. If you have a Massey dealer check out the GC2400 subcompact. has some of the best features of both the BX and the Deere.
 
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Have you thought about just getting a MMM for your 2620? The deck is a snap to take on and off, but in most cases, it can be left on and pinned up when you are not mowing.
 
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'nickwarcol':

When did you get your 2305? Maybe using the 3pt. instead of one of the FEL controls is a change since I got mine? Do you happen to have any links or pictures showing this setup?

I purchased my 2305 in September 2008.
 
/ JD 2305, or BX2360?
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Have you thought about just getting a MMM for your 2620? The deck is a snap to take on and off, but in most cases, it can be left on and pinned up when you are not mowing.

Yes, that is the other option. Perhaps it is easier to install, and remove than the decks on the smaller machines. I've been going through some treatments now, and then that make those 300# decks heavier than they used to be! :D
 
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I bought a BX2350 about year ago, mostly for mowing, and I love it. The abrut stop in reverse is kind of a pain, but I got used to it. That is not an issue with the 2360 as they fixed that problem. I thought I would not get as good a cut with the 60" deck on the Kubota that I got with my previous riding mower, but I think it gives a nice even cut. I didn't get the rear bagger setup and put a mulching kit on instead. I don't know why everyone doesn't go with a mulching kit, it spreads the grass out so much better and doesn't windrow it. I have an endloader and a rear blade, and it takes me about 25 minutes to take off the rear blade and endloader and put on the deck. It's a pretty simple process. I looked at JD, but at the time it seemed like to get the same JD, it was about 10-20% more in price. I'm sure if I had gotten the JD, I would have liked it also.
 
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I have a 2305 and I'll say this, if you get one and have the hyd deck lift and fel, get the diverter valve as well. it makes a world of difference in not having to shut down to swap the hydraulic line between curl and mmm lift. as far as mowing performance, it mows fantastic, turns very sharp. it'll bounce you outta the seat if you mow too fast over rough ground, but then anything will do that. as for the bells and whistles and lay out, I like the JD over Kubota, but that's personal preference stuff, some like the Bota's better than JD's layout.
 
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Have you looked at the Massey GC series??
 
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Have you looked at the Massey GC series??

I have looked at the Massey GC series, but not since they did the upgrade to the 2400, etc. My concern with them is sketchy information, and higher prices on the attachments, and not much info on the material collection system. I do like the larger engine, and the hydraulics operating better at lower rpm than the Kubota BX series.
 
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I too looked at both before going with a BX1850, then upgraded with assistance from Kubota to the 1860 due to the abrupt stopping in reverse. As previously stated, the issue is fixed with the 60 series. For me, not having side by side pedals as on the JD was a key factor. I had an JD X485 prior to the BX with the side by side forward/reverse pedals and very often would press the wrong one. I found it almost dangerous if I was in a tight situation and of course the X485 had the RIO switch so if I tapped the reverse pedal by mistake while mowing, out went the PTO. Just too frustrating for me. With the Kubota, you virtually can't step on the wrong pedal since their positioned in the direction you want to go. For me, this was much more natural. The other factor was cost. The JD was $1,000 more than the 2350 and more so compared to the 1850, which JD does not make a counterpart to.
 
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I have looked at the Massey GC series, but not since they did the upgrade to the 2400, etc. My concern with them is sketchy information, and higher prices on the attachments, and not much info on the material collection system. I do like the larger engine, and the hydraulics operating better at lower rpm than the Kubota BX series.


We just sold one the other day and the catcher is pretty awesome.
You can check it out at Grasscatchersusa.com

I think the new design it top notch, the best thing is the twin pedal hydro!

The best thing going with Massey besides the new design is the 0% for 72 months!!!

I would be happy to price something out to you if you like. Just drop me a pm
 
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Chuck,

If the weight of the deck, and its ease of removal and installation is an issue, then IMO your best bet is to get a mower deck for your B2620. I've found that the drive over deck is actually easier to remove and install than the deck on my (former) Craftsman garden tractor. Because of the additional height of the B, the PTO shaft is fairly easy to get to, and the drive over feature means you never have to lift the deck - it just rolls right out. Its that easy. The cut of the deck is excellent. The turning radius of the B is just as good as the smaller BX or JD2305, plus you have folding ROPS to get under trees. As you know, the B does not have the transmission cooler fan that the subcompacts have.

If you're considering a second tractor so that you don't have to switch implements, i.e. your backhoe, then I can understand wanting to get a second tractor. But keep in mind that swapping out the mower deck is a 5 min job at most, with NO heavy lifting or maneuvering of the mower deck at all.
 
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Thanks for your input jcaledon. I think that I will put a mmm on my B2620, and keep the old Simplicity for small things. It should last a long time with the larger tractor doing most of the work. It is handy to have it for pulling a cart to fill with chips when I'm chipping, etc., and the grass collector on it is nice to have sometimes too.
 
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New Holland has gotten no air time in this thread, you can throw them in the mix as well. We're seeing some of the best pricing and financing ever on sub compacts right now... the other vendors are not throwing as much money at tractors as New Holland is right now.
 
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natural. The other factor was cost. The JD was $1,000 more than the 2350 and more so compared to the 1850, which JD does not make a counterpart to.

I considered both too. When I mentioned the $1000 difference to the JD dealer, it promptly became a $300 difference. Because of the pedals (like everyone else said) and the loader controls, I have a 2305.

The complaint about removing the mmm is valid. You must be on level ground, or it is a royal pain. I also wish the lock on the mmm arm was a bit tighter. Once it is locked, you have to bleed off the hydraulic fluid, before you can disconnect it. This drops the MMM (or arms) nearly half way down. Maybe I just need an adjustment on that.

Todd
 

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