murphy1244
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China, Have you ever thought of just hiring a landscaping guy? Thats the ticket.
Comparison JD 2210 vs. 1023E vs. 2305
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ChinaSailor
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China, Have you ever thought of just hiring a landscaping guy? Thats the ticket.
As a matter of fact I did.. After all of the heavy lifting was done on the property and now it is a matter of general maintenance I got some quotes for lawn service to include every other week grass trimming from April thru November, fertilizing/weed killing 2x a year Spring and Fall, spreading 45 yds of mulch 1x a year, (optional driveway snow removal 3x a winter season), and the range was $6k-$8k per year.
And that was from 2 lawn services that would even do it.. The other 3 or 4 declined to even give a quote as the property was too tough for them.
But I just got good news, or so I think.. see next post...
Mike
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ChinaSailor
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Gentlemen,
From one of the forum members came the idea that what could be happening had to do with the 4wd/front axle which led me to do some further testing of the 2210....
Due to the tough terrain the 2210 has practically never been out of 4WD, and most of that time always in Lo gear...
So I thought, let me see what happens if I just put it in 2WD which would isolate some of the 4WD linkage and/or at least give me an indication if perhaps I broke a front axle or something..
Keeping in mind that I know I have good hydraulic pressure because the 210 loader arms work with no problem, the 54C MMM works perfect so I know at least the PTO and stuff works, and I can go forward but not reverse in both Hi and Lo gears.
So, I went out to the machine and put it into 2WD and it works perfectly!
I get forward, REVERSE, and the HST holds the machine as it should in 2WD.. No problems, no issues... When put into 4WD it does not go in reverse and behaves like before...
So, I finished mowing the turf where I could only be in 2WD... and it worked perfectly, even going down gentle grades/inclines the HST held the machine up both forward and backwards...
I drafted JD sales and service an email and fired it off to them, and actually talked to the Service Manager.. He said it sounds like a broken front axle..
(perhaps only some loose linkage?? But I will have to trust the JD dealer)
When in 4WD the machine acts like it is in 2WD and on the slopes that I was on with about a 35 degree incline the 2210s HST just couldnt hold the machine and once it started to gain speed even the brakes wouldnt grip...
So we all "win" (maybe) except for the JD salesman who can't now sell me a new or used tractor!
Gentlemen, I want to thank every single one of you for the help, interest and support you have freely offered to this hapless soul for without your suggestions I would have been lost!! Certainly alot poorer with a new machine that I really didnt need or want.
JD is scheduled to come and pick up the 2210 next week and if you would like I will let you all know the official outcome and cost...
Yes, I know it is not going to be cheap but at least it is not digging into a 2010 tranny trying to find what is broken all the while playing "if in doubt swap it out"... Unless of course it is only some 4wd linkage and then I will have to trust the JD dealer to do the right thing and not rip me off.
Most Kind Regards and Thanks again,
Mike
From one of the forum members came the idea that what could be happening had to do with the 4wd/front axle which led me to do some further testing of the 2210....
Due to the tough terrain the 2210 has practically never been out of 4WD, and most of that time always in Lo gear...
So I thought, let me see what happens if I just put it in 2WD which would isolate some of the 4WD linkage and/or at least give me an indication if perhaps I broke a front axle or something..
Keeping in mind that I know I have good hydraulic pressure because the 210 loader arms work with no problem, the 54C MMM works perfect so I know at least the PTO and stuff works, and I can go forward but not reverse in both Hi and Lo gears.
So, I went out to the machine and put it into 2WD and it works perfectly!
I get forward, REVERSE, and the HST holds the machine as it should in 2WD.. No problems, no issues... When put into 4WD it does not go in reverse and behaves like before...
So, I finished mowing the turf where I could only be in 2WD... and it worked perfectly, even going down gentle grades/inclines the HST held the machine up both forward and backwards...
I drafted JD sales and service an email and fired it off to them, and actually talked to the Service Manager.. He said it sounds like a broken front axle..
(perhaps only some loose linkage?? But I will have to trust the JD dealer)
When in 4WD the machine acts like it is in 2WD and on the slopes that I was on with about a 35 degree incline the 2210s HST just couldnt hold the machine and once it started to gain speed even the brakes wouldnt grip...
So we all "win" (maybe) except for the JD salesman who can't now sell me a new or used tractor!
Gentlemen, I want to thank every single one of you for the help, interest and support you have freely offered to this hapless soul for without your suggestions I would have been lost!! Certainly alot poorer with a new machine that I really didnt need or want.
JD is scheduled to come and pick up the 2210 next week and if you would like I will let you all know the official outcome and cost...
Yes, I know it is not going to be cheap but at least it is not digging into a 2010 tranny trying to find what is broken all the while playing "if in doubt swap it out"... Unless of course it is only some 4wd linkage and then I will have to trust the JD dealer to do the right thing and not rip me off.
Most Kind Regards and Thanks again,
Mike
dmrp6510
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I can tell you you have to be in 4wd to mount the drive on decks if not all it does is push the deck around the 62d is very simple to mount drive over deck pull forward intill the hooks are in the bolts then push the spring pins in the holes then bring the bar up in the front finally crawl under the back of tractor and hook up pto no more than 5 minutes
Carl Bert
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Any chance we could get some pics of this property, I think it would give us a better idea of what your really up against
After living in Galeton for a couple of years (stationed there with PSP) I can certainly attest to the terrain! Mt. goats probably couldn't make it up certain areas!
megotatractor
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Glad to hear the real issue was discovered before the dealers' "wild guess" cost you money.
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ChinaSailor
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Well Gentlemen...
After putting the 2210 up on its FEL to lift the front wheels off the ground I found the following:
When in 4WD the transmission does NOT lock the front wheel drive shaft, and the front wheels do not turn when in lo gear forward!!!
In fact when lo gear is engaged I can still manually turn the front wheels!!!
So - the linkage/rods of the 4WD MFWD are disconnected or broke turning the tractor into a 2WD machine.
The disconnected or broken linkage is jamming something which prevents me from going into reverse but lets me go forward when in 4WD.
2WD works perfectly...
So, it's STILL the tranny but at least now its isolated down to the 4WD linkage... The HST is sound, hydraulic pumps are sound with pressure, PTO is sound.. 4WD linkage/rods are not...
It may be worth my while to get a hitch put onto my Xterra borrow or rent a trailer and take the 2210 down to the dealer to get an estimate.. if I still get a run around then I can just move it back onto the trailer and take it to another JD dealer the next town over to get a 2nd opinion/estimate...
Some of you have asked for some pix of the property and I am providing four:
The 2 dimensional photos really don't show the steepness of the inclines but you can see the 4 concrete tiers and the 2 earthen tiers at the rear of the house with the top one being higher than the roof and I have shown a pic from that location as well. I also included a photo taken of my neighborhood ca Dec/1862 after the union troops captured it from the confederacy, my house sits in the middle of the second/third ridge in the photo.
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Mike
After putting the 2210 up on its FEL to lift the front wheels off the ground I found the following:
When in 4WD the transmission does NOT lock the front wheel drive shaft, and the front wheels do not turn when in lo gear forward!!!
In fact when lo gear is engaged I can still manually turn the front wheels!!!
So - the linkage/rods of the 4WD MFWD are disconnected or broke turning the tractor into a 2WD machine.
The disconnected or broken linkage is jamming something which prevents me from going into reverse but lets me go forward when in 4WD.
2WD works perfectly...
So, it's STILL the tranny but at least now its isolated down to the 4WD linkage... The HST is sound, hydraulic pumps are sound with pressure, PTO is sound.. 4WD linkage/rods are not...
It may be worth my while to get a hitch put onto my Xterra borrow or rent a trailer and take the 2210 down to the dealer to get an estimate.. if I still get a run around then I can just move it back onto the trailer and take it to another JD dealer the next town over to get a 2nd opinion/estimate...
Some of you have asked for some pix of the property and I am providing four:
The 2 dimensional photos really don't show the steepness of the inclines but you can see the 4 concrete tiers and the 2 earthen tiers at the rear of the house with the top one being higher than the roof and I have shown a pic from that location as well. I also included a photo taken of my neighborhood ca Dec/1862 after the union troops captured it from the confederacy, my house sits in the middle of the second/third ridge in the photo.
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Mike
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rsewill
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Nice place! Sorry the CUT is broken.
yelbike
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Glad to hear the 2210 is getting fixed. I had a broken tranny pto on my 2305. So I don't think they were much better. I was able to move up to a 2320, which I really enjoy. I'm a flat Lander though.
Carl Bert
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Any update on the repair or replacement?
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Bringing the 2210 down to the dealer today.
While nice they weren't much help so far in helping me to troubleshoot the problem - they were much more interested in selling me a new tractor.
With the help of the people here in the Forum I have been able to determine and isolate the problem with something to do with the tractors 4WD linkage in the transmission, including most probably the front wheel gear shaft.
The tractor works perfectly fine in 2WD, MMM works fine, rear hitch raises and lowers fine, and FEL works fine which tells me I have good hydraulic pressure, HST works, pto works.
I put the front of the tractor up off the ground using the FEL to test the front wheels when in 4WD and they move freely when manually turning them, and the front wheels nor the front wheel gear shaft turn when trying to move forward. In 4WD the tractor acts like it is in 2WD.
Anyhow, hopefully I will find out definitively what the problem is and cost next week.
Thanks for the reply.
Mike
nforktractor
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If you did look a new(er) tractor, see one of the 3005's, I had always thought, a manual transmission tractor work better and last longer on hilly terrain than the hydros, I have a 790, previous version, and I like the four speed mechanical transmission, just put it in first gear and idle along, with the hand throttle, just like cruise control, and, they are not big, just right size for most,
scsi2005
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I have a 2210 which I use with the loader and back hoe. I did mow with it but got to tired of removing the MMM to install the back hoe. I also have a hilly landscape. Maybe not 30deg but steep. 3ac worth with rocks thrre and clearing almost 1.5 ac with it. What i did to help stability was to place 2.5" wheel spacers on it. I have almost 700 hrs on it and the only problems have been those **** u-joints and now the forward pedal is stiff and slow. We just bought a 1023e with drive over 60d MMM and it is the easiest thing to remove and service. Wish the 2210 had that option.
Good luck
Steve
Good luck
Steve
