JD 2210 or Kubota BX2200

whbutler1 · May 2, 2004

I am trying to decide between a JD 2210 w/mower and box blade and a Kubota BX2200. I went to deere.com and was able to get a list pirce on the 2210 using their product configurator but I did not find anything similar on Kubota's website. How do I find out what Kubota prices their tractors at and that I am getting a good deal from dealer to dealer?

Help!!!

NY_Yankees_Fan · May 2, 2004

Here is some info on prices for the Kubota line

Kubota

Good luck.

wisconsinguy · May 6, 2004

hi

I looked at both last year and ended up with a 2210. I was lucky and the same dealer sells both so got to put em side by side and really compare them. It just seemed to me the deere was a little more tractor. The loader capacity on the bota was less too. As far as price they were with in 50 bucks so that was not an issure. Check em both out and see which tractor and dealer you like best, They should be real close price wise.

Phil

44trxfun · May 6, 2004

Hey there wh,

You might (might not?) want to give the MF GC2300 a look too, just for grins. In hindsight--which is always clearest--I wish I'd investigated 3PH capabilities a little more before I bought the 2300. Don't know about either the JD or the Kub, but the MF doesn't have position control and 3PH implements tend to be on the light side. 3PH control lever ends up being in an awkward position, at least for me. I didn't give these things as much consideration as I now wished I had. I have some other posts on this site with detail; just wanted to give you a word of caution...

Good luck with your search!

Good luck.

whbutler1 · May 7, 2004

Interesting site. I like your info about dealer incentives. In the Kubota world, they call them DSA's or Dealer Sales Incentives. That much I know. Also, salesperson incentives can range from nothing to up to $300 per tractor sold. These incentives get paid directly to the salesperson, the dealer cannot withhold a portion of it. Last year, Deere did not have a salespersons bonus on 2210's and Kubota had $100 on the BX2200. So, if you are the salesperson which one are you going to push? Kubota is being chicken in that they won't post retail prices on the internet. On the Deere site, you can configure and price whatever you like, from a string trimmer all the way up to a 5520 with Cab & Air. What I want are dealer prices for Kubota. Any idea how I can get them? Other than that, all you have to know are the DSA's and the salesperson's bonuses to get a good idea of where they are going to price. Then there is the financing sidel Both Deere and Kubota chare a percentage of the sale for financing, that the dealer pays. The most popular is 0% for 36 months, but this costs the dealer money. Any idea what percent they are paying for Kubota?

Thanks for the post.

whbutler1 · May 7, 2004

Good choice. The Deere 2210 is the better tractor. Put a belly mower on it and the Deere weighs 400 more pounds than the BX2200 with a belly mower. Now that is steel...the heart of a tractor.

Also, the 2210 is much more stable. Not an issue when you have a sack of concrete weighing 50 lbs in the loader, but try to get a buckful of wet dirt in the loader and turn around...you will feel very unstable in the Kubota but not the Deere. Why? More weight and a wider stance make the 2210 much more stable.

Thanks for the post.

whbutler1 · May 7, 2004

The MF GC2300 is a sharp looking tractor...unfortunately, that is about where it ends. Just like the New Holland tractors, they lack power. Try running them into a loader pile and buring the loader and trying to get a buckful...both MF and NH lack low end (low rpm) torque. The MF GC2300 is a nice Lawn & Garden Tractor with a loader.

Thanks for the post.

DannyD · May 7, 2004

The one thing that made the difference for me, besides color of the tractor, was the fact that the Kubota will accept standard cat 1 implements, where the jd has what they term limited cat 1 3ph. This means from talking to the jd team, ONLY jd implements will work on it. Good marketing, but I like my implement dealer, and he does not sell jd implements.

Just a thought, and a piece of my thinking before getting the bota 2200.

Cecil · May 7, 2004

Danny,

I think you'll find that ALL subCUTs have a "limited Cat 1" 3 point (as was explained to me by a Kubota dealer) the limitation is in the height it can raise the implement. I don't have the numbers handy, but the TPH of the JD 2210 is at least as capable as that of the K 2230.

BotaGuy · May 8, 2004

The cost to do the 0% financing for a Kubota dealer is 1.5 percent on contracts over 24 months. At 24 months there was no extra cost.

I think the Kubota is the best engineered, best sub compact out there. The bottom line is this...Kubota invented the class, the nitpicks from the BX2200 were addressed in the BX2230. Every one else was rushing to market to try to cash in on the sub-compact market.
Buy the original, the leader, and best sub compact...the Kubota.

Henro · May 8, 2004

whbutler1 says:

 I am trying to decide between a JD 2210 w/mower and box blade and a Kubota BX2200. 

Then in following posts says:

 Good choice. The Deere 2210 is the better tractor. ....Also, the 2210 is much more stable. 

And:

 The MF GC2300 is a sharp looking tractor...unfortunately, that is about where it ends. 

And:

 Just like the New Holland tractors, they lack power. 

Sounds to me that Mr. whbutler1 is on a fishing expedition rather than a tractor hunt! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Nice to see no one is biting... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

thcri · May 8, 2004

( whbutler1 says:

 I am trying to decide between a JD 2210 w/mower and box blade and a Kubota BX2200. 

Then in following posts says:

 Good choice. The Deere 2210 is the better tractor. ....Also, the 2210 is much more stable. 

And:

 The MF GC2300 is a sharp looking tractor...unfortunately, that is about where it ends. 

And:

 Just like the New Holland tractors, they lack power. 

Sounds to me that Mr. whbutler1 is on a fishing expedition rather than a tractor hunt! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Nice to see no one is biting... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif )

I don't think anyone could have said it any better. Well Said. Ditto

murph

jpr62902 · May 8, 2004

Why you would want an extra 400 lbs. to haul around when mowing is beyond me.

whbutler1 · May 9, 2004

Danny,

Great post. You are right about the JD limited Cat 1 implement. If you look in the spec's it will show that the limited means limited in terms of height and weight. I am not a tractor engineer, but I think it is a couple of inches in height and a couple of hundred pounds in weight.

Kubota has much higher hitch capacity that JD, in most all of their models. I never could quite figure out why, since some models boast a hitch capacity of 3400 lbs (I think it is in the L series Cat 2 models). The implements out there don't weight that much, at least anything less than a bat-wing mower. Seems like a waste of cylinder/tractor size component cost.

Sharp eye Danny! Thanks for the post.

whbutler1 · May 9, 2004

Cecil,

Here are the specs. Lift capacity (24 in behind the lift links) 700 lbs. Don't know the limitation of the lift height. However, the 3-point hitch is designed to Cat 1 standards so you can fit Cat 1 implements as long as they are designed to standard. I was surprised by the number of short liners whose cat 1 implements dimensions were not designed to Cat 1 standards.

I was talking to a neighbor of mine and his dad, and his dad was having all kinds of difficulties changing implements. He told me he went to his dealer and got a quick-hitch attachment and now he can change implements quickly, but the implements have to be designed to a consistent spec like category 1.

He told me both Deere and Kubota offer quick-hitch systems.

Thanks for the post.

whbutler1 · May 9, 2004

I admire you sticking to your color. Sometimes that all it comes down to.

Still, many companies have invented the category and are no longer around, just look at the computer industry...Apple practically disappeared after inventing the computer operating system. They are back in certain niche markets but theirs was the first and the best, they just could not support it.

Kind of like Deere and their dealer network. The biggest and the best. How many tractor companies that were around in the 1960's still exist in their original form (with no consolidations or buyouts?). Only Deere. It is reassuring to do business with a company this has been in business almost 170 year.

Makes me wonder about buying a KIA also.

Thanks for the post. Your opinion is appreciated.

whbutler1 · May 9, 2004

Interesting.

A fishing expedition? I just can't see why anyone would buy anything but the JD 2210. Is it price? The two (JD and Kubota) appear to be priced the same (see previous posts), but Kubota won't post any prices on their website. Show me the prices so I can decide for myself. I just don't like getting jerked around by unscrupulous sales people who care more about their salespersons bonus than my welfare!

And, have you even driven the GC? Put a Kubota in a loader pile and tried to move dirt around?

Thanks for you post. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

whbutler1 · May 10, 2004

It was the stability in the loader pile with the mower attached vs the Kubota that really stood out for me.

Why 400 lbs? I guess because it can.

Thanks for the post.

Cliff_Johns · May 10, 2004

( Apple practically disappeared after inventing the computer operating system. )

Oh, that's good one. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Apple invented the computer operating system! That is truely funny. I'm thinking this statement is meant to be ironic rather than just hoplessly wrong, but I don't get the joke beyond the simple absurdity of the statement.

Cliff

MessickFarmEqu · May 10, 2004

Your dealer is likly pricing the BX high to make you choose between the two. It should be $1000-1200 less than the 2210 in most markets.

Also, the prices on Deeres website site are list, not retail. They are worthless guidelines.

The 2210 is a fine tractor and very compriable to the Kubota. I do think its a bit over priced. Same goes for the New Holland TZ.