Jacobsen 422D (Kubota D950 engine) won't start

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kthelen

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Jacobsen 422D
Hello all!

This spring I bought a used (maybe 20 years old) Jacobsen Turf-Cat 422D tractor. It was sold to me non-running. I had never worked on a diesel prior to this - but I was able to clean the fuel system (new hoses, filters, etc. in addition to the usual), bleed the lines, and had it running. I've cut with it approximately 3 hours per week since then, and all has been more or less well. The battery was junk from day one, but I'd been nursing it along by trickle charging when needed, and the occasional jump-start with a second battery.

From the beginning, I noticed that I'd have to run the glow plugs for anywhere from 10-30 seconds to get it to start, and that it would make black smoke out the exhaust momentarily after a cold start - both of which I assumed were ordinary. Only thing about it that seemed at all odd to me was that, when left to idle for any length of time, I'd notice a small amount of whiteish smoke(?) puffing out of the valve cover breather. Never knew if that was normal or not.

The past two times I went to start it, it seemed to take more effort than usual. I had attributed it to the battery getting ever closer to death, but I did notice that it was (maybe?) making more smoke than normal after a cold start.

When I went to use it today, it simply refused to start. You could crank it as long as you wanted, but it never even sputtered. I would see a bit of light colored smoke coming out of the exhaust while cranking, but no start. Surprisingly, the battery seemed to have nothing to do with it.

I knew the smoke should indicate that it was getting fuel, but seeing no reason for the problem I ran through it anyways. Cleaned out all the hoses, filter, etc, bled the lines, just to make sure fuel was getting there. Found a kinked hose and several other smaller issues, but resolving them brought no change. The fuel looked and smelled proper.

So next I moved on to glow plugs. It was there that I noticed two things that seemed odd:

1) Upon extracting and bench testing the plugs, I found that only two were functioning. (Would one bad plug keep it from starting?)

2) I removed the B+ wire from the glow plugs and attached it to a voltmeter. As expected, I saw full battery voltage was constantly present while the switch was held on. But when I reattached it to the plug or plugs, a strange thing would happen: the voltage (which was significantly lower) would stay on for several seconds, then disappear and reappear in a rhythmic fashion. (Is there some device in the circuit that's supposed to cause this, or have I found a problem?)

I know I need a new glow plug, but fear that it's not the only thing keeping the motor from running. But I'm a diesel novice, so what do I know? :laughing:

Any advice would be appreciated.


--Keith
 
   / Jacobsen 422D (Kubota D950 engine) won't start
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After doing some more reading - this in particular - I decided to just go with my gut. So I reinstalled the glow plugs (good ones on #1 and #3, dud in the middle on #2) then powered them directly from the battery for a good 15-20 seconds and began cranking. The beast is ALIVE!!!

It did take a while longer than usual to warm up, of course, and sounded like it was running on two cylinders for the first minute or so (for obvious reasons). But after that it ran normally.

Having done this, I can be fairly sure the motor isn't somehow damaged (or at least, no worse than when I last used it!), and assume that the glow plug's failure was both recent and directly related to the hard starting. Only things left in question now are...

- Where do I get another glow plug, and/or how do I determine what to ask for?
- Is my glow plug switch and wiring behaving normally (see above), or should I be replacing that too?

Any thoughts...?
 
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I would check to see if your motor has some sort of glow plug controler other than the key. Ford trucks cycle on and off for awhile to help reduce unburnt fuel and reduce pollution. Your mower may have this feature. Some of the older GM diesels just by passed all this with a push button that directed the battery current directly to the glow plugs. After a suitable time the key starter was used and away you went. Success was had when you did not use so long as to burn up the glow plugs. A compression check would give you a better idea of what your motor is really like. My 7.3idi could not be started with ether in August. Could have saved new batteries and glow plugs.
 
   / Jacobsen 422D (Kubota D950 engine) won't start
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Just ordered some glow plugs. After much scuffing and squinting, I determined the originals (and they were original!) were NGK 9394 - which doesn't seem to appear in anyone's books. Scouring other forums, particularly ones where folks were working on Kubota-powered Onan generators, I found two other NGK part numbers which people claimed to be having luck with: 2031 (rapid glow) and 6325 (standard). My local auto parts store couldn't find any 2031s, so three 6325s will be waiting for me tomorrow morning. Yes, it only has one bad glow plug, but for $6 apiece I figured better safe than sorry :)

Since the glow plugs seem to work fine when powered directly from the battery, I plan to open up my console and remove any impediments that may be in the glow plug circuit, so that when I'm done there's nothing in the line but the original momentary contact switch. Push and hold it for several seconds, release it, crank the motor, watch it run. Nobody but me runs this machine, so I don't anticipate the lack of safeties (if indeed there are any) being a problem.
 

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