It's a boy! (Good) but he has a screw loose. (Bad)

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It\'s a boy! (Good) but he has a screw loose. (Bad)

Got my PT425 late Friday afternoon. My wife insisted on being the first to initiate it so she took a couple of passes around the front yard and parked it as it was getting dark.

Next day I mowed the yard. It took 3.6 hours and another 20 minutes to put away all the accessories and clean up the pallets, etc. Only problem was that the mower stalled twice when it got wrapped up with long grass straw. The yard had not been mowed since we moved in on 4 April (and who knows how long before that) so some of the grass was tall (24-36 inches). Thanks goodness it wasn't very dense most places. The soil is rocky and it has been unusually dry and cool so far this spring. My wife could tell I was pleased when she drove in from work. She said it was all over my face.

Day two. I decided to rotortill the garden site. The soil is very hard dry clay with a generous assortment of rocks, up to potato size. Trying to till to max depth in one pass proved futile so I decided to set tiller just deep enough to dig up the old grass for the first pass. Having used a walking type tiller before, I had sprayed the grass with hebicide three times in three weeks to kill it and its roots (only half-way successful. What are they NOT putting in herbicide nowadays?). I mowed it first to prevent the tines from balling up with long stalks.

It didn't make any difference. The tiller rotor kept stalling, stopped and wouldn't turn even when I lifted it. Eight times in 1.5 hours. I shut down the tractor and checked to see that it was not tangled. It was not. What I found was that simply turning the rotor by hand a couple of inches and restarting the tractor fixed it, until next time. Ocassionally the rotor would not turn forward but turning it backard 1-2 inches unlocked it and then it turned fine. Any ideas what the problem is. It reminds me of a car that won't start because of a broken tooth on the starter/flywheel. If one turns it by hand until the good teeth catch again they will start right up. I don't have any idea how these hydraulic motors work. Could it be something similar?

Also, when I turned the rotor/tines by hand I noticed that ALMOST EVERY bolt was so loose (1/2 to 2 turns) that it needed two wrenches to tighten them, one for the bolt, one for the nut. Is this typical of PT quality control?
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ALMOST EVERY bolt was so loose (1/2 to 2 turns) that it needed two wrenches to tighten them, one for the bolt, one for the nut. Is this typical of PT quality control?
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<font color="red"> /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Y E S ! ! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Upon delivery, and before using your PT, YOU MUST:

Check Engine Oil
Check Engine Air Filter
Grease All Fittings
Check Throttle Operation (Use Full Throttle 99% Of The Time!)
Check Choke Operation
Check All Electrical Connections
Check Battery Fluid Level
Check for Oil or Hydraulic Leaks
Check Hydraulic Tank Level
Check and Tighten All Hydraulic Connectors
Check That All Wires, Hoses, and Fuel Lines Are Routed Away From Hot Parts
Verify That Hydraulic Cooling Fan Operates After Warm-Up
Check and Tighten All Nuts and Bolts
Adjust Tire Pressures to 7# Rear and 11# Front
Consider Reversing Wheels
Check Treadle Operation (Consider Installing Treadle Springs or Cords)
Learn Joystick Operation
Buy and Install Suicide Knob
Adjust Seat Belt for Largest Operator, Then Remove Excess Webbing
Check All Bolts, Hydraulics, and Adjustments on All Attachments BEFORE Use
ALWAYS WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT!
DO NOT MOUNT, OR DISMOUNT, WITH THE ENGINE RUNNING!

Now, hopefully, you can begin to operate your PT without hurting the PT or yourself!!

PS: HAVE FUN!!

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<font color="red"> Upon delivery, and before using your PT, YOU MUST: </font>

Do you think its worthwhile removing the wheels and checking everything out behind them?
 
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On the arrival of my 425 and attachments all were in great condition with no bolts loose. Wonder what happened?
PJ
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Do you think its worthwhile removing the wheels and checking everything out behind them? )</font>


<font color="red">Sure! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Check everything out when you remove the wheels to reverse them!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif</font>
 
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( Wonder what happened?
PJ )


<font color="red"> Not only did they tighten the nuts and bolts, but they also bolted in a nice Kohler engine and a steel gas tank too!! But that was before the latest round of 'improvements'!! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

PS: The trick is to assume that nothing was done right, and hope to find that nothing was done wrong!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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<font color="blue">Check everything out when you remove the wheels to reverse them!! </font>

Thanks, I'll check them out! However, since I'm going to be doing commercial work in people's back yards I'll have to keep my wheels as they are so I can easily get the tractor into the standard 48" yard gate.
 
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That is the one thing that still bugs me about Power Trac. Mine came with no problems. Yours came with no problems. I feel badly about recommending them seeing all the problems that people are having right off the truck. While people seem to be happy with the work they can do once the bugs are worked out, but the bugs shouldn't be there in the first place. Slag in the hydraulic tank, caulk in the fuel tank, vapor lock, bad cooling fans, loose bolts... AAARRRGH! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

PT needs to address these issues quickly. Machines should never leave the factory in that condition. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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When your roto tiller or mower stalls is it bogging down from the load or does it seem like the PTO solenoid is not fully engaging when you flip the PTO switch?

Dale
 
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When I bought my 422 in Nov 1999, they mentioned something about the PTO pilot valve needing to be cleaned if I had any problems with the PTO. I had to clean mine once shortly after I got it. Everything has been fine since then.
 
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Totally agree with you Moss...and feel fortunate that my PT(just about to celebrate his 1st birthday) came with no problems........seems like an easy QC fix for Power Trac that would potentially save them $$$$ since word of mouth is the most reliable advertisement and I'm not entirely sure if I would still have purchased the PT if there were this many posts about "issues" as there has been in the last 6 months or so.
 
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I agree with you and Moss. With their Business model you would think that quality would be first priority. Do they do any long term testing ( or short term for that matter).
 
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<font color="blue"> That is the one thing that still bugs me about Power Trac. Mine came with no problems. Yours came with no problems. I feel badly about recommending them seeing all the problems that people are having right off the truck. While people seem to be happy with the work they can do once the bugs are worked out, but the bugs shouldn't be there in the first place. Slag in the hydraulic tank, caulk in the fuel tank, vapor lock, bad cooling fans, loose bolts... AAARRRGH! </font>

I agree that these things have far too many problems, so far after a bit more than five hours I've had air in the hydraulic system, one loose hydraulic hose on my 4-n-1 bucket, vapor lock (I think, I'll know next time I brush hog), and today an oil leak. The oil leak is under the motor and it looks like it may just be a loose oil filter (hopefully. I'll tighten it when it cools down).

I just retired and have time to dink around with so I probably would have bought it anyway but most folks aren't going to have that king od discretionary time.
 
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Just to put a little perspective on it. Most people don't post unless they have an issue. This is one of the main purposes of this forum. I agree that you should not have these problems, but it is not possible to determine the failure rate from a forum. My daughter bought a computer from HP at Best Buy. She had problems under warranty and it took many (over 15) telephone calls before they would let her mail it back. They sent her to several places for repair, none of which would accept it. It was down for a total of six weeks. It looks like many companies are competing in the special olympics of tech support. Oh the service was in India and she had to use her cell phone cause that's all she had. In some ways being able to call Power Trac and speak to the expert directly is very refreshing.

On the other hand, since there are no local dealers, I would hestitate to recommend these tractors to someone who is not handy and does not have a local service guy.

Bob Rip
 
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I don't necessarily agree that folks who have problems post them. I've had some of the usual problems with leaks and vapor lock and haven't posted, why beat a dead horse? Maybe we should conduct a survey, problems, satisfaction etc. Has power-trac ever followed up with anyone looking for customer feedback, problems comments etc.
 
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<font color="blue"> ""so I can easily get the tractor into the standard 48" yard gate.""
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<font color="red"> Use your new Power Trac to widen those gates!! </font>

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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Do they do any long term testing ( or short term for that matter). )</font>


<font color="red"> Yes, and you are one of their testers!! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif </font>
 
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<font color="blue"> Most people don't post unless they have an issue. This is one of the main purposes of this forum. </font>

6800 posts later and now you tell me? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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There may be a little sarcasm in MossRoad's response and it is probably justifiable.

I have been regularly scanning all of the sites for both good and bad and have seen some of both on orange, blue, green and all other colors.

It is a great service to someone like me who is trying to make a decision to hear both sides and I am glad that there are people who will take the time to present both sides rather than just complain.

I will admit that in my scanning of the PT site that I am seeing more problems in recent posts and I have communicated with PT asking if there is a problem with their QC and if I choose to purchase a PT would I be able to operate my machine at their site before delivery - no response yet.

I am enjoying the posts and still have not been turned off the PT but I am still also considering other options.

Thanks

Bob in California
 
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Some good points Bob. One of the things that turned me away from the PT the first time was that there was no dealer network, and with kids in Little League, soccer, and school, I really didn't have time to be messing with fixing my own tractor all the time. I went with a Ventrac that time around.

Now that everyone is older and I have more time to "learn" how to take care of my tractor myself, I went with the PT and have not regretted it!

Yes, they will let you drive the tractor before you take it home. I did not do this because there was a 425 already there and I wanted to get a final bit of comfort in my choice of the 425 over the 1430.

I did spend a fair amount of time going over my 425 and went through the "hands on" overview with Terry.

I have found my PT to be really solid minus a couple of things that they promptly took care of.

I find that calling them works better than email and I normally get through to Scott or Terry every time.
 

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