It was a safety thing........strobes?

/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #21  
<font color="blue"> Incidentally, the newspaper reported that another new law in Texas this year (and probably not known by many) requires drivers to move over a lane away from a police car on the shoulder of the road if possible, and if not possible, then to reduce speed (and I've already forgotten how much, but think it was 25 mph in 55 mph zones).
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Florida passed the same "move over" law. Here's a description:

"There are several important provisions concerning this new law. Effective July 1st, 2002, on interstate highways or other highways with two or more lanes traveling in the direction of the emergency vehicle, and except when otherwise directed by a law enforcement officer, drivers approaching a law enforcement or other authorized emergency vehicle parked on a roadway with their emergency lights activated, are required to vacate the lane closest to the emergency vehicle, as soon as it is safe to do so.

"When approaching a law enforcement or other authorized emergency vehicle parked on a two-lane roadway with their emergency lights activated, and except when otherwise directed by a law enforcement officer, drivers are required to slow to a speed that is 20 miles per hour less than the posted speed limit when the posted speed limit is 25 miles per hour or greater; or travel at 5 miles per hour when the posted speed limit is 20 miles per hour or less.

"During the 5-year period of 1996-2000, motorists in Florida crashed into working law enforcement vehicles that were stopped/parked along Florida roadways 1,793 times, resulting in five deaths and 419 injuries.

"A violation is classified as a moving violation and carries a fine of $60 with three points added to the driver's license record."

The problem, of course, is that when officers are busy at a scene, they usually can't afford the extra personnel to enforce the law. Sooner or later, however, and even though it may be tragic, one or more people are going to have the book thrown at them because they ignored the law and caused injury or dealth. I'm sure that will be highly publicized and will increase awareness of the law.

Regardless of whether your state has the law, it's a good idea to try to follow it. Most truckers have been moving over for years, and a few of the more aware "four wheelers" try to do the same.

Most drivers are so selfish and arrogant, however, that they won't even pull over for emergency vehicles, let alone change a lane. It's especially bad here in Florida, where elderly drivers won't make a lane change unless they plan it a couple of days in advance (and I'm not exxagerating; they actually plan their strategy for getting from Point A to Point B, and won't deviate from it for anything).

Here's a link to a public service announcement that was broadcast: Move Over announcement
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #22  
I have found from personal experience running equipment over the road and in doing road maintenance itself, that as had been previously noted, most people move over very little, irrelevent of the light color or vehicle it is attached to and very few of them ever slow down as the pass you or go around you. Nothing puts the fear of Jesus into you, like having a car brush your butt at even 20 MPH, never mind 55.
With the random pattrned, flashing amber lights, that I have installed on my tractor as well as the the factory hazard lights and the additional strobe bar that I have mounted on my pick up truck. I have hoped to accomplish 2 things,
#1- do as much as reasonably possible, to provide ample visable warning, to oncoming traffic, of All types, to use caution.
#2- cover my butt, in case somebody hits me anyway. If I can show and prove to the authority's and the insurance company's that I did everything reasonably possible to prevent this accident from happening, then I have done everything I can to protect myself and others.
 
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one more fact that you forgot to mention or were not aware of is that people instinctively steer toward what they are looking at. Hence, if the vehicle is displaying flashing lights and the oncoming motorist is looking at the lights (commonly known as "rubbernecking"), that they will have a tendency to drive into the vehicle that is displaying the flashing lights. I learned this over 40 years ago when I was on the ambulance squad. For this reason, we never parked the ambulance parallel to the roadway, but at a 45 degree angle so we lessened the chance of getting hit while loading a patient. Many things have changed in 40 years, but drivers inattention to driving isn't one of them..... Junkman
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #24  
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We were in Oklahoma or Arkansas this summer and they had those signs posted. We saw a police car sitting on the side of the road and I instintively moved to the left lane but the car following me didn't and guess what? Yep, the policeman took out after the car that didn't move over. I was sure glad that I make it a practice to move over when approaching an emergency vehicle even though our state doesn't have that law yet.

I fully agree with that law. Maybe it's from watching cops too much /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'd sure hate to be out there not knowing about what some stop might do, and have to worry about oncoming traffic as well.
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #25  
Very good, Don; sounds like the same law, but the web site I use to look up Texas statutes hasn't been updated yet.

And yes, it seems that nearly all truckers move over a lane when they see an emergency vehicle on the side of the road, and I do it even if a vehicle on the side of the road is not an emergency vehicle.
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #26  
Something to consider as far as strobes are concerned...Ever been to a dance club, disco hall, or skating rink when they turned the strobe lights on? Remember how it made everybody look funny when they moved? If you are driving in fog or snow, the strobes on the car/tractor have the exact same effect when it's dark out. Many people find it disorienting to the point they actually have trouble driving straight. Not likely a major deal at the relatively slow speeds we use our tractors at, but just something to consider if you plan on roading your tractor any distance in bad weather and darkness.
 
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Bird, here it is from the Texas Dept. of Public Safety:

"New Traffic Laws Take Effect

"Driving-related legislation taking effect September 1, 2003:

"...SB 193 requires drivers nearing a stopped emergency vehicle that has lights activated, unless otherwise directed by a law enforcement officer, to:
Vacate the lane closest to the emergency vehicle, if the highway has two or more lanes traveling the direction of the emergency vehicle; or
Slow to a speed not more than 20 miles per hour (mph) less than the posted speed limit when the posted speed limit is 25 mph or more; or
Slow to a speed not more than five mph when the posted speed limit is less than 25 mph.
A violation is a punishable by a maximum fine of $200. If the violation results in property damage, the maximum fine increases to $500. If the violation results in bodily injury, the offense is enhanced to a Class B misdemeanor."

The penalties are tougher than Florida's law. No wonder it isn't well known, yet, it only took effect about 6 weeks ago...
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #28  
SoundGuy,
It sure did and for a while I saw it being enforced but I see that only some folks move over. They want you to move over to the far lane away from the incident and flashing lights and to slow down. Today I saw the FHP working the North bound lane of I-75 near Gainesville and even with all that attention (writing up vehicles) on the right side, I didn't see anyone move over. Out of state drivers I'm sure don't know about the law but most of these tags were Florida.
Leo
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #29  
I noticed that school busses in our area now have strobes on the rear, and some of our red lights in the city have a strobe light built into the red portion.. not sure why.. but they have it... lots of the big city public works trucks have them too...
Maybee it makes the lawyers/insurance co's feel better?

Soundguy
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #30  
The strobe lights that are attached to the top of the signal lights are for emergency vehicles. As the emergency vehicle approaches the light, it emits a signal that turns the light red in 3 directions and gives the emergency vehicle a green light in the direction that it is traveling in. After it passes, another signal is sent that turns it off..... This is how it was explained to me. Possibly they are using the strobe in the red lens the same way... to indicate that it is red in all directions??????
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #31  
one other thing you may want to check on, is are strobes legal for on-road use?

here, thier supposed to be illegal, even though the fire,pd,ambulance, and DOT all use them. the DOT stated at one of our fire officer's meetings, that it is illegal for us to have flashing headlights, or strobes on our emergency vechials... although they kinda gave up, when it was pointed out that thier own snow plows run double, and tripple flash strobes... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #32  
The strobes built into the red lens is used to draw folks attention to the fact that the light is red. I have seen them in some localities that have them set to flash for the first 5-10 seconds after the light changes to red.

Some of the units that are used to change all lights to red are triggered by strobes on the emergency vehicle. These strobes operate in a pattern that the sensor on the lights can recognize. Others use an infrared emiter on the emergency vehicle.
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #33  
well your strobes look real nice, i just wanted to add one thing that i was told once. the fast flashing of strobes draws attention to the vehicle, but it is hard to judge the distance and exact location of the vehicle because the flash is so fast. however normal flashing lights and revolving lights are easier for the eye to determine where and/or how fast the vehicle is moving since the eye has time to focus on the light. i have noticed this to be true at night when ya are coming up on a tow truck that has all strobes, its just sorta a disorenting yellow strobe effect, you see it right away, but its hard to determine exactly where it is and whats around it. thats why many lightbars have both strobes and revolving or flashing lights, that way ya sorta get the best of both worlds. one thing i plan to add to my ford 8000 sometime soon is turn signals in addition to the 4 way flashers, far to many times i have went to turn left and had someone try and pass me, very few people recognize hand signals nowdays, often they think that you are waving them to pass ya on the left
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #34  
LAGEORGE,
I like your set-up. I used a cheaper version on my Yanmar, for times I was out near the road. They had a bolt pattern on the bottom that exactly matched the mounting of the original turn signals. My good luck. They are Xenon stobes with built in strobe unit. Just run 12V to them. $8.95 each plus shipping. I was not impressed with the bolts in the bottom though, they were epoxied in and 2 of them pulled out when I got over zealous with the wrench. Epoxied them right back in /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #35  
My marked patrol car has 2 rear facing strobes and two rear facing halogens. If your lined up on the halogens, they are SUBSTANTIALLY brighter.

That is BIG bucks. For the same or less you could have bought a complete light bar. Attached to your ROPS, it would kind of be like a tow truck! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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You’re right about the price of the system vs. a really nice light bar. But a light bar would look a bit odd and my neighbors and public works crews would laugh at me. I know you are just kidding, you were kidding right? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
In other treads people had mentioned the hazards about working near roads. The biggest issue I have is getting onto the road and being seen by speeding Mercedes Benz’s and Hummers. Even though the strobe system is expensive it is the same system that fire departments and police departments count on to avoid accidents. Caltrans also relines on safety strobes to wake people up to pay attention. The system looks professional is effective and what I have read, legal to use while working near the road.
I guess when you want to play with the big boys toys you have to pay. A good example of this is the Broadcast camera vs. the Circuit City top of the line model. One costs $47,000 and the other cost $1,200. Both get the job done but only one can do professionally to share with the world.

On another rant, I have often thought about what hazards I would have faced if I had a John Deere tractor instead of the Blue New Holland. Might I not be seen as well by other drivers since it could blend into the green foliage along the road? I could see a lawsuit on this thought one day. You have to admit that you will see an orange, blue, red and yellow tractors before you see a green one.

George
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #37  
Geo. . . I just gotta say I like what you did and I might flatter you by doing something very similar.

The debate of the effectiveness of the strobe versus the effectiveness of rotating versus the effectiveness of a big stick between the eyes of some knucklhead who is not paying attention can be debated ad infinitum.

But to be honest I prefer to make modifications that do not look like an amature (and yes, that would be me) made. So I try to think out my modifications to see how I can improve the function of what I have without compramising the original design, asthetic or function. You achieved your goals of increased visibility while keeping the original look of the machine with a very well thought out and professional installation. I am green eyed with envy.

Now, if you can figure out how to install some lights on that ROPS without showing the wires, drilling holes in the ROPS, welding to the ROPS, then please let me know.

I am seriously considering a couple of forward facing yellow fog lamps on the rops (yellow won't attract the mosquitos that swarm my woodlands) for late evening lawn mowing. My thought is I could probably make light brackets out of metal and using an automotive or marine epoxy mounth the brackets to the ROPS, but how to hide the wires? Possibly some more epoxy and a flat black wire chase running up the side of the ROPS? Anyway, that is another project... Yours looks great and I am jealous!
 
/ It was a safety thing........strobes? #38  
Hey George, very nice installation. I am looking to do the same with my TC24. Can you tell me which switch you were looking at with the LED?

Dave /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I found and LED waterproof switch at go2marine.com. I have included a link to it. I like the LED idea but the switch does not look as promising but then again I do not know I have not used it. The Ancor switches seem to be the same ones used by New Holland so if you want to keep it factory looking you might want to stick with the Ancor switch even though an LED does not light it.

Footnote to installation of the switches in the position I have them mounted on the tractor. The switch is very deep and it kind of presses against the fender. I put some plastic/tape insulation on the fender behind the switches to keep things from shorting out. It is a very tight fit but it seems to be holding up just fine.

George

PS: thanks for the compliment! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

LED Switch at go2marine.com
 
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Found somthing better than a switch!

see the webpage I printed since you can't link to it

George
 

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