Is this deal a Scam?

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Boone

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I clipped an Advertsisement from the GreenBay paper placed by Shawano Power Sports. They are offering a "Cashable Voucher" of $3000 on an Artic Cat ATV "cashable voucher in approximately 3 years time." The program is administered by the Consumer Trust, 225 Broadway NY,NY.

2004 Artic Cat 400 Automatic
MSRP $5,599
Voucher -$3000
Your Cost $2,599

Is this deal for real?
 
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Yes those deals are for real. BUTTTT there are very strict guidelines that you have to adhere to. Be extremely diligent and real ALLLLL the fine print. You also pay all the money upfront for the vehicle. In three years time if you stay up with all the criteria you get the $3000. The dealer pays a small portion of this upfront.

I bought a horse trailer on one of these deals three years ago. As long as I follow everything they have spelled out I will get $10,000 next year. If I mess up even one thing you lose the money.
 
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<font color="blue"> there are very strict guidelines that you have to adhere to </font>

What sort of guidelines? Maintenance? Condition? Owner feedback? What is in it for the seller to offer this voucher?

Seems very unusual to me /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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No nothing like that. What you have to do is there are certain dates that you have to fill out paperwork on the voucher. For example when I got mine I had to file all the paperwork by a certain date. Once that is done they give you a date. On that specific date you have to claim the voucher. If you are even one day late you lose it. They are banking on our disorganized lives not having to pay.

What is in it for the seller is that they get an upfront fee for this from the dealer. The seller is counting on you not remembering in three years that you have this voucher. There is also paperwork that you have to keep those three, in my case four, years to be able to claim the voucher as well.
 
/ Is this deal a Scam? #5  
That is one wierd sales scheme but I bet I could handle it. Is this something one could routinely ask about when making major purchases?

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Rob they also had new Artic Cat snowmobiles with 100% cash back in the ad.
 
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No it's not a routine thing. You will occasionally see it at different vehicle, trailer dealerships. It's something that these company's market to them as a way to entice customers and pay close to retail and make it look like you are getting a great deal. Which you are if you do everything right and want to wait 3-5 years for your rebate.
 
/ Is this deal a Scam? #9  
No...I don't think this is a scam. My neighbor bought some windows about 3 years ago and got a cashable rebate from a company out of Missouri and she is delighted because she just got her money back.
 
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Had the day off yesterday, so I hopped on the motorcycle and ran to the JD dealer in Pulaski for a mower part. Since I was going west I decided to keep going and run out to Shawano and see what the story was on the voucher program and maybe buy an ATV.

I pulled in at 4:30pm and walked in to the showroom. Guy behind the counter asks if I need some help. I reply yes I need to talk with a salesman. Counter guy replies what do you want to know.
I point to an easel that has the terms of the voucher program pinned on it. Tell me how this works and what models are available for it, I need some prices on ATV's.
I ask how much the Mule is and how much the Arctic Cat 400 is. He tells me the price. I walk over and look at the AC 400. He stays behind the counter.
Then another couple walk in, he asks them if they are here to pick up something and pulls out a stack of paperwork. I look around for about ten minutes to see if I was abandoned or if someone really wanted to take my money. Nope.

I walked out. Figured that must be why they have to offer a voucher program, can't work a customer. There were several other people in the offices and around the place at work. Doing something that must have been more important.

The terms as close as I can remember them:
Go to a website and retrieve some number specific to you.
Copy of birth certificate or notorized passport.
Current utility bill.
Proof that you paid for the machine.
Sending all material without exception by registered mail in a 7 day period after three years.

On the way out I stopped at the Bombardier dealer and looked at the Outlanders. The quality appeared to me to be much higher than the Arctic Cat. I like the Outlander series.
 
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I can empathize with you on the treatment you got at that AC dealer... I have run into the same type of thing at more places than I would like to remember.

But then again, I dislike even more the slick salesman who was selling shoes last week and knows nothing about a technical product other than the first page worth of the equally slick brochure.

I also like Bombardier products and am about to "surprise" the wife for her upcoming "Big One" birthday with an Outlander Max 2 seater (she has been bugging me for an ATV for over a year now!) We test drove one a few weeks ago and she loved it, whereas she disliked the stiff ride of a Traxter Max we looked at last year.

Good luck and enjoy a new toy!

Rip
 
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also like Bombardier products and am about to "surprise" the wife for her upcoming "Big One" birthday with an Outlander Max 2 seater (she has been bugging me for an ATV for over a year now!) We test drove one a few weeks ago and she loved it, whereas she disliked the stiff ride of a Traxter Max we looked at last year.
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Hey Rip,
That's a great idea, having your wife drive you around like Limo ATV. That back seat is like a throne, man it is sure comfortable. I know I'd enjoy it.
Take Care,
Boone
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( offering a "Cashable Voucher" of $3000 on an [$5999] Artic Cat ATV "cashable voucher in approximately 3 years time." )</font>

I wouldn't buy there.

I would much rather do business with a firm whose sole focus is on customer service, not on magic finance based on outsmarting the customer.
 
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<font color="red"> I clipped an Advertsisement from the GreenBay paper placed by Shawano Power Sports. They are offering a "Cashable Voucher" of $3000 on an Artic Cat ATV "cashable voucher in approximately 3 years time." The program is administered by the Consumer Trust, 225 Broadway NY,NY.

2004 Artic Cat 400 Automatic
MSRP $5,599
Voucher -$3000
Your Cost $2,599

Is this deal for real?
</font>

Can you explain the deal a little more? When and what amount do you pay? When do you get the product?
 
/ Is this deal a Scam? #15  
You pay the full purchase price when you buy the item. You own the item at that time. You are then given a voucher which you have to activate at a specific time. Then you have to cash it on a specific date or you lose it.
 
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This should explain it all.

Missouri Sues Consumers Trust
February 23, 2005
Consumers Trust, a promotion scheme that promises consumers rebates -- yet makes the qualifications almost impossible for the consumers to meet -- violates Missouri law against misleading and deceptive practices, Attorney General Jay Nixon charges in a lawsuit.
Nixon is suing to stop the "cashable voucher program," which is being marketed by a Kansas City-area business and operated out of England. He has obtained a court order freezing approximately $10 million in two Missouri bank accounts held by the defendants.
Nixon said consumers nationwide have bought items such as cars, hot tubs, carpeting, swimming pools and even cosmetic surgery in the hopes of getting a rebate for the full or a significant portion of the purchase price after three years.
Those hopes are being dashed, Nixon said, when the claims are rejected by Consumers Trust, which operates the cashable voucher program. The scheme is marketed to merchants in Missouri and other states by Consumer Promotions Inc., of Lee's Summit, Mo. Both organizations are defendants in Nixon's lawsuit.
"The whole program is set up to frustrate claims, pure and simple," Nixon said at a news conference in Kansas City. "The wording in the rules is intentionally vague, and consumers have had their claims arbitrarily rejected, without any recourse.
In some cases after the three years are up, the consumers even have been told there is not enough money to immediately satisfy their particular claim. This scheme violates the law and needs to come to halt right now."
Nixon explained how the scheme works: Consumer Promotions markets the voucher program to merchants as a way to increase sales. The program induces consumers to make purchases -- often for expensive items or services -- with the promise that the consumers will get the full face value of the voucher in three years.
Merchants pay 15 percent of the voucher value to Consumers Trust and are told that the money will be held exclusively for the payment of consumer claims. Consumers Promotions convinces the merchants that the voucher program is fair and that consumers who make valid claims will be paid.
In reality, the money paid by the merchants is not held for the payment of consumer claims; most of it is wired to international bank accounts owned by the various defendants named in Nixon's lawsuit, he said.
What Consumer Promotions and the Consumers Trust fail to inform consumers and merchants, Nixon said, is that the terms of compliance for making claims are extremely vague, intimidating and cumbersome - virtually ensuring that consumers' claims will be rejected.
For instance, consumers are told to submit "third-party proof of payment," but that term is never defined for them. One consumer who complained to Nixon's office submitted a photocopy of the receipt from the merchant showing she had paid for the item in full, yet her claim was rejected.
One of the more onerous terms of the voucher warns consumers that their vouchers will be invalidated if anyone reminds them to file a claim or assists them with the claims process.
"Hundreds of consumers in Missouri and elsewhere are being induced to make purchases by the promise of a full rebate, but they eventually find out the fine print puts significant hurdles in the way of getting the rebate," Nixon said. "When the purpose of a promotional program is to frustrate consumers, that's not a promotion - that's a fraud."
In addition to obtaining the asset freeze, Nixon is asking the Jackson County Circuit Court to order that Consumer Trust and Consumer Promotions immediately cease violating Missouri consumer protection laws.
He also is seeking a court order to pay restitution to all consumers affected, a civil penalty of $1,000 per violation and 10 percent of total restitution, and to reimburse the state for legal and investigative costs. Nixon also is asking the court to appoint a receiver to safeguard the assets and provide for their disbursal to consumers.

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