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Is this a scam? Is this a Scam
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StoneHeartFarm
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Fraid so. It's a scam just like the email I got a year ago that said the Rev Chief Mrs Buhutta needed to flee the country and had to take millions of dollars with her, and needed my bank account number to deposit it to. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
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I think I've gotten a version of that one at least 6 or 8 times. Where do they get our e-mail addresses? I've not only gotten it here with this e-mail address, but also last year with my old e-mail address.
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yep! just a measley $2,500 ain't hardly worth the time and effort. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Here is a link that tells the same story...via a chain of emails and also has a copy of the check this guy received.
Click on the small check image to make it bigger...
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http://www.mogstink.com/scam/scam.htm
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http://www.mogstink.com/scam/scam.htm
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It may be that there is a thriving grey market, but only for the reason that subverting import duties and regulations makes the item cheaper. I'd let the thing ROT in a feild before I would even begin to assume the risk and hassel of selling to someone in Africa. And that is even if the guy didn't want me to send him a check. Life is complicated enough already. Of course I'm the type of guy that likes to trade n cars because I'm not much of a salesman. I'm trading in a 1999 Trooper w/ 21,000 miles next week! They aren't giving me what it's worth, but at least I'll be done with it. HEY!! Wait a minute, ... Is there anyone from Africa out there that would like to buy my truck though a complicated scheme of wire trasfers and laserprinted checks??? If I can get a few more bucks, maybe I'd go for it.
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Bird:
<font color="blue"> Where do they get our e-mail addresses? </font>
1) When you visit a site that sets "cookies" or you allow code such as javascript you are allowing a "foreign" computer to examine your computer. Most sites (including I think this one) won't abuse that power, but some would.
2) A legitimate email from someone that is "mass" mailed (you will see others who also received it in the "to:" area) passes your email address to these other parties (whom you probably don't know) who may then pass it on.
3) There are a finite number of service providers and an even more finite number of 8 character names (many providers are limited to 8 byte names). Get a list of service providers and a computer can generate combinations of handles to go with those providers easily enough.
4) There are other ways I won't go into.
JEH
<font color="blue"> Where do they get our e-mail addresses? </font>
1) When you visit a site that sets "cookies" or you allow code such as javascript you are allowing a "foreign" computer to examine your computer. Most sites (including I think this one) won't abuse that power, but some would.
2) A legitimate email from someone that is "mass" mailed (you will see others who also received it in the "to:" area) passes your email address to these other parties (whom you probably don't know) who may then pass it on.
3) There are a finite number of service providers and an even more finite number of 8 character names (many providers are limited to 8 byte names). Get a list of service providers and a computer can generate combinations of handles to go with those providers easily enough.
4) There are other ways I won't go into.
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When my dad worked in oilfield in Midland, Tx, the company he worked for shipping MANY things overseas especially in Nigeria, africa and asia.
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If you look at the Nigerian scheme they ask for something like 50k, $2500 profit just doesnt seem like a scam.
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Once a cookie is on your computer there is absolutly no way to view whats inside that cookie. Its encrypted so much that you cannot see whats inside.. after all it does contain passwords to websites!
Sure a company might ship assets oversees, but I'm still not buying the story that there is a guy in Nigeria that wants MY tractor SO bad that he is going to pay freight and duties to haul it half freaking way around the world C'MON PEOPLE!!!
Why would he not buy new and ship THAT around the word??? At least then he would know what it is he is getting for his 3 times the normal value dollar!!
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Why would he not buy new and ship THAT around the word??? At least then he would know what it is he is getting for his 3 times the normal value dollar!!
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Your talking about something that happens at the spur of the moment or something of little planning. Personal experience? Hah. People base it off a chain letter with a guy in africa wanting to buy a tractor. Sorry but most people here couldnt even find Nigeria on a map if there life depended on it.
rogue: not only would it cost probably twice as much to get a new John deere in Africa(not including south africa) its just as expensive getting a used one. This is pretty common, people from foreign countries buying American goods because its cheaper but the shipping would be 1k, most likely less. Why do you think so many people in the US buy chinese tractors.
OMG SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WANTS TO BUY MY TRACTOR.. MUST BE A SCAM!!!11!1
hah. btw sorry for the sloppy writing.. im in a hurry.
rogue: not only would it cost probably twice as much to get a new John deere in Africa(not including south africa) its just as expensive getting a used one. This is pretty common, people from foreign countries buying American goods because its cheaper but the shipping would be 1k, most likely less. Why do you think so many people in the US buy chinese tractors.
OMG SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WANTS TO BUY MY TRACTOR.. MUST BE A SCAM!!!11!1
hah. btw sorry for the sloppy writing.. im in a hurry.
Jai -
<font color="blue"> Your talking about something that happens at the spur of the moment... </font>
No - plans to steal small amounts of money/items don't always happen "spur of the moment." I was in law enforcement for a time, and based on my experience dealing with the criminal element, I can assure you there are many "planned" crimes that net only a small amount of loot. But don't take my word for it....
For example (BTW these are 2001 statistics) the average “take” per burglaries was $1,545. The average value of property stolen due to larceny-theft in the same year was $730. While yes, some criminal acts are ones of opportunity, not all are and as the statistics show, they generally don’t net the criminal much in the way of monetary gains.
<font color="blue"> "Your talking about....something of little planning." </font>
No, this isn't true either. While it is true human nature leads individuals to usually pursue the greatest reward for the least effort, people also regularly do the inverse. Regardless, this scam does not fall in to the "high effort" column. In actuality, for the effort involved it is a VERY low.
Let's outline it:
1) Search Internet adds for items that are for sale (Very easy - doesn't even have to be an "Internet" ad as a lot of newspapers put their classified ads on the net.
2) Send an few emails - starting with a rather standard "form" type making the case for an "over payment" and "cash back" scenario.
3) Print out a fake check using your PC. Something VERY easy to do with today’s hardware & software - pretty much everything you need can be bought down at the local computer store. (If you want to get "fancy" you can even get your own MICR toner for the magnetic stuff on checks - but this isn't required.)
4) Mail the fake check.
5) Set up a bank account so funds can be wired directly to you. (Another very easy thing to accomplish.)
Now, sit back and wait for $1000, $2000, $3250, $750, $101, $3600, etc. all to come streaming in from different suckers who bit on your con. And the only time you have to leave your computer is to drop an envelope in the mail! No, this “activity” is far less “work” than the average “Joe” puts in during a regular work week - and “Joe” does it for a lot less money.
Yes, VERY little effort for a HUGE payoff. BTW - you should review the Department of Justice statistics regarding Internet fraud - it's more common than you seem to believe. (48,000 complaints to law enforcement in '02 and over 263,000 complaints to the Federal Trade Commission in the same year -- forget all those that go unreported.)
<font color="blue">Personal experience? Hah. </font>
<font color="red">per firefighter
The check was sent and we contacted the bank in which it was from and they confirmed scam. - </font>
Let's see - either you DIDN'T do as I suggested and re-read all the posts or you are claiming that the individual who started this thread is making stuff up. Be careful what you post as you will get “called” on it.
<font color="blue">Sorry but most people here couldnt even find Nigeria on a map if there life depended on it. </font>
Ok, I gave you some slack with regards to firefighter's post due to your age, but you are getting abusive here. Your lack of respect of other TBN’ers intelligence is unfounded and inaccurate. Not only is your statement insulting, but it has no bearing what so ever on the discussion at hand. Even if nobody knew where in Africa Nigeria was located, it wouldn't change the facts as presented. Basically you are presenting a "Red Herring” which only hurts your case.
Before you make another attempt at arguing your point, I’d suggest you 1) review the facts; 2) gather evidence to support your conclusions; and 2) create a argument minus the logical flaws - that is if you want to be taken seriously.
<font color="blue"> Your talking about something that happens at the spur of the moment... </font>
No - plans to steal small amounts of money/items don't always happen "spur of the moment." I was in law enforcement for a time, and based on my experience dealing with the criminal element, I can assure you there are many "planned" crimes that net only a small amount of loot. But don't take my word for it....
For example (BTW these are 2001 statistics) the average “take” per burglaries was $1,545. The average value of property stolen due to larceny-theft in the same year was $730. While yes, some criminal acts are ones of opportunity, not all are and as the statistics show, they generally don’t net the criminal much in the way of monetary gains.
<font color="blue"> "Your talking about....something of little planning." </font>
No, this isn't true either. While it is true human nature leads individuals to usually pursue the greatest reward for the least effort, people also regularly do the inverse. Regardless, this scam does not fall in to the "high effort" column. In actuality, for the effort involved it is a VERY low.
Let's outline it:
1) Search Internet adds for items that are for sale (Very easy - doesn't even have to be an "Internet" ad as a lot of newspapers put their classified ads on the net.
2) Send an few emails - starting with a rather standard "form" type making the case for an "over payment" and "cash back" scenario.
3) Print out a fake check using your PC. Something VERY easy to do with today’s hardware & software - pretty much everything you need can be bought down at the local computer store. (If you want to get "fancy" you can even get your own MICR toner for the magnetic stuff on checks - but this isn't required.)
4) Mail the fake check.
5) Set up a bank account so funds can be wired directly to you. (Another very easy thing to accomplish.)
Now, sit back and wait for $1000, $2000, $3250, $750, $101, $3600, etc. all to come streaming in from different suckers who bit on your con. And the only time you have to leave your computer is to drop an envelope in the mail! No, this “activity” is far less “work” than the average “Joe” puts in during a regular work week - and “Joe” does it for a lot less money.
Yes, VERY little effort for a HUGE payoff. BTW - you should review the Department of Justice statistics regarding Internet fraud - it's more common than you seem to believe. (48,000 complaints to law enforcement in '02 and over 263,000 complaints to the Federal Trade Commission in the same year -- forget all those that go unreported.)
<font color="blue">Personal experience? Hah. </font>
<font color="red">per firefighter
The check was sent and we contacted the bank in which it was from and they confirmed scam. - </font>
Let's see - either you DIDN'T do as I suggested and re-read all the posts or you are claiming that the individual who started this thread is making stuff up. Be careful what you post as you will get “called” on it.
<font color="blue">Sorry but most people here couldnt even find Nigeria on a map if there life depended on it. </font>
Ok, I gave you some slack with regards to firefighter's post due to your age, but you are getting abusive here. Your lack of respect of other TBN’ers intelligence is unfounded and inaccurate. Not only is your statement insulting, but it has no bearing what so ever on the discussion at hand. Even if nobody knew where in Africa Nigeria was located, it wouldn't change the facts as presented. Basically you are presenting a "Red Herring” which only hurts your case.
Before you make another attempt at arguing your point, I’d suggest you 1) review the facts; 2) gather evidence to support your conclusions; and 2) create a argument minus the logical flaws - that is if you want to be taken seriously.
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