Is the Cyber Truck a Flop?

[Renze]

Which vehicles are selling in place of the Teslas?

I dont know.

Tesla dropped their list prices to stay competitive.
Car rental company Sixt saw the resale value of their Tesla fleet drop overnight, says Tesla screwed them over and therefor takes their loss right away, before resale value drops even further...

Sixt says goodbye to the Teslas in its fleet - electrive.com

The car rental company Sixt is phasing out Tesla electric cars. The residual value problem with the US manufacturer's electric cars is said to play a major

www.electrive.com

Here in Holland and Germany, we pay tax based on a cars registered weight. Electric cars didnt pay tax at all, but the government was missing out on too much revenue.

Now people pay full tax for a heavier battery vehicle, so not many want them anymore.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I dont know.

Tesla dropped their list prices to stay competitive.
Car rental company Sixt saw the resale value of their Tesla fleet drop overnight, says Tesla screwed them over and therefor takes their loss right away, before resale value drops even further...

Sixt says goodbye to the Teslas in its fleet - electrive.com

The car rental company Sixt is phasing out Tesla electric cars. The residual value problem with the US manufacturer's electric cars is said to play a major

www.electrive.com

Here in Holland and Germany, we pay tax based on a cars registered weight. Electric cars didnt pay tax at all, but the government was missing out on too much revenue.

Now people pay full tax for a heavier battery vehicle, so not many want them anymore.

Tax by weight makes sense to me. Do you know how much tax is charged per say, a Model 3?

I think Tesla wants out of the car business altogether actually. They have loftier goals than being an auto manufacturer.

 

[hayden]

You crazy dude. A modern 2500, 250 can conventional pull 16k plus, gooseneck # for them are way more. The old trucks look good but ain’t worth a crap as a working man’s truck.

This isn't my experience. I'm not sure which "2500" you are talking about, but I have a 2020 GMC 2500. GCVW is 26,000. Max trailer on hitch is 14,500, and that leaves some capacity for cargo in the truck itself. Max gooseneck is 17,900, and that leaves only 230lbs total cargo+driver weight. So I could drive the truck, but couldn't have anything or anybody in the truck. When I bought my truck, it had the highest capacity for a 3/4 ton truck from GMC, and also the highest of Ford and Dodge. I recently looked at a new Ram 2500 and it's ratings were lower. From what I've seen, to get higher ratings you need to go to a 1 ton and/or dually.

What 2500 or 250 is rated to pull 16k on a bumper?

 

[WinterDeere]

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Call me soulless, but I would never let my dislike for the CEO of a public company sway my impression of how good or bad their product is, or its suitability for me. It helps that I've become a big fan of Elon, more so in the last year or two than ever before. But even if I were on the other side of the fence, my brain is able to segregate unrelated issues.

I watched my MIL switch from drinking Coke to Pepsi a few years back, and hey... I understand her political gripe. But the bottom line is that I like Coke, and I don't really like Pepsi nearly as much. My taste buds aren't so political.

 

[Fixastuff]

This isn't my experience. I'm not sure which "2500" you are talking about, but I have a 2020 GMC 2500. GCVW is 26,000. Max trailer on hitch is 14,500, and that leaves some capacity for cargo in the truck itself. Max gooseneck is 17,900, and that leaves only 230lbs total cargo+driver weight. So I could drive the truck, but couldn't have anything or anybody in the truck. When I bought my truck, it had the highest capacitya 3/4 ton truck from GMC, and also the highest of Ford and Dodge. I recently looked at a new Ram 2500 and it's ratings were lower. From what I've seen, to get higher ratings you need to go to a 1 ton and/or dually.

What 2500 or 250 is rated to pull 16k on a bumper?

Ram 2500 10k truck weight and 16k trailer. Says to use a weight distribution hitch above 12k or something like that. You can order a f250 or Chevy 2500 with a 10k weight but they usually aren’t on the lot.

 

[Renze]

I think Tesla wants out of the car business altogether actually. They have loftier goals than being an auto manufacturer.

They invested big in a German factory in the past 3 years.

But was Tesla ever an auto manufacturer ? They are an electrical appliance manufacturer that decided to build cars. Car manufacturers think about ease of repair, service centers, etcetera. You can pick up your Tesla at a Tesla center where they are parked by the truckload, and when youre there at the given time and date, you may hope the guy in front of you is on time too or you'll wait till the first guy in the row moves out.

Tesla grants you the privilege of buying their product, but they dont honour their customer. But average Joe doesnt accept that, they expect some customer service, as for car dealers its their privilege when you hand over 40k or more.

There are independent garages that begin to speciialize in Tesla because Tesla hires appliance repairmen instead of car mechanics. Many people drive half a day to a Tesla center, have half the parts replaced to no avail, then find this guy who is willing to touch Teslas and then its something small that a car mechanic thinks of right away.

 

[KennyG]

This isn't my experience. I'm not sure which "2500" you are talking about, but I have a 2020 GMC 2500. GCVW is 26,000. Max trailer on hitch is 14,500, and that leaves some capacity for cargo in the truck itself. Max gooseneck is 17,900, and that leaves only 230lbs total cargo+driver weight. So I could drive the truck, but couldn't have anything or anybody in the truck. When I bought my truck, it had the highest capacity for a 3/4 ton truck from GMC, and also the highest of Ford and Dodge. I recently looked at a new Ram 2500 and it's ratings were lower. From what I've seen, to get higher ratings you need to go to a 1 ton and/or dually.

What 2500 or 250 is rated to pull 16k on a bumper?

Current Ford F-250 is rated at 14K to 22K depending on engine, rear axle ratio and body/frame configuration.

 

[Renze]

Call me soulless, but I would never let my dislike for the CEO of a public company sway my impression of how good or bad their product is, or its suitability for me.

Read my other posts: Tesla has virtually no customer service, when they lowered their sales prices for new vehicles they screwed over all their existing customers because their resale value/writeoff increased proportional with the drop in new price, and Europe wide, tax deductions and subsidies end.

Musks political aspirationd play a minor role.

 

[hayden]

Which vehicles are selling in place of the Teslas?

I think pretty much every european car manufacturer now offers electric cars, so I expect buying has shifted to them.

 

[newbury]

Current Ford F-250 is rated at 14K to 22K depending on engine, rear axle ratio and body/frame configuration.

But it's gotten TOO TALL.
I need to be able to legally tow 10K. My darling 5' tall wife has difficulty climbing up into it, and would struggle trying to get a bag of groceries onto the seat.
My 2002 F350 dually sits lower.
Maybe I should get her a Tesla. Now if only they made one with a 900 mile driving range while towing 10K.