Interminent Starting Issues

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General Lee

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I have a 2010 L4400. I'm experiencing some starting issues where I get nothing but the starter click when turning the key. Battery is good and starter is good, Already tested those. I thought it might be the hydro pedal not settling in neutral but its not that either. Now I'm wondering if its the ignition switch or some wiring. My question is, is there a common starting issue w/ Kubota that I'm not not aware of? Things to check?
 
   / Interminent Starting Issues #2  
Ignition switch clicking or the starter relay? I assume you mean the starter relay. If that is clicking & the starter isnt spinning, you have a bad starter. The starter relay shouldn't get power or click if any of the safety switches are tripped. At least on my L3200, there wouldnt be a click (or start) until you pushed in the clutch. The seat & HST safeties choke the shutoff solenoid for sure, but I think they will prevent the starter solenoid from getting power as well.

You can always use jumper cables to apply voltage to the input of the starter to see if will at least spin. Leave the ignition key off so it wont fire up unexpectedly. That will at least tell you if the starter is good.
 
   / Interminent Starting Issues #3  
Another possibility, is that the start relay is bad.

Just because you can hear it clicking does not mean its contacts are sending power to the starter solenoid.

Often on tractors the same relay is present multiple times. By swapping the start relay for another identical one you can rule it in or out as the cause of your problem.

Dave M7040
 
   / Interminent Starting Issues #6  
Another cause could be a high resistance path from your battery, thru your key switch, any and all safety switches to your starter relay. Put a meter on the solenoid terminal (small terminal) and see how much voltage is coming thru when the key is in start mode. If its quite a bit under the battery voltage, you probably have a high resistance path. A common solution is to wire in a relay. Do a forum search on this, it is a common problem on older tractors.
 
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All good ideas, I'll dig further into it later this week when I have the time.

Fallon- I did "jump" the starter to rule out the starter.
 
   / Interminent Starting Issues #9  
Look at your battery NEG ground to Frame. Its odd how these grounds fail. Sometimes its just the cable, pressed cables are terrible, and sometimes its the ground connection to the frame. I can tell you that coming from a marine engine back ground, intermittent stating is almost always a ground/negative connection fault. Even though its "Only" 12 volts, that 12 can heat up and momentarily re-weld its way to the frame. Then the continuity gets degraded rather quickly and oxidized. Next day it may not start. So maybe the next time it can't find a way to arc and find a good path. This would be my first thing to check. And you can tell just by doing a temperature test after a start by feeling the frame ground point. If its Hot to touch, that is the problem. :)
 
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Always check and clean grounds as the first step.

Another common area is the starter switch (ignition key) that makes poor contact.
Generally caused by dried lubricant inside the switch itself and more common on open station tractors.
A quirt of WD40 in the key slat cures or eliminates that possibility.
 

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