Impliments for DK40se HST w/FEL

[southerniltractor]

Greetings fellow Kioti owners,

I'm trying to figure out what impliments/brands/sizes to get for my Kioti. I need to move snow (not too much in southern IL), maintain a 900 foot gravel drive, move dirt around the property, move stuff with pallet forks, keep the weeds knocked down, maintain a wetland and and keep a waterway in shape. I hope to someday dig the wetland into a full sized pond, but that will probably require me to rent a pan when I get to that point...

Regardless, I'm thinking the following and have prices from my dealer:

Rhino 350 tilt and angle 84" 395 lbs $700.00
Rhino 172 bushhog with slip clutch 785 lbs $1700.00
Rhino BX 72 box blade 505 lbs $ 700.00
Horst qa 48" pallet forks 3700 lb rated 425lbs $700.00.


I've heard good things about Rhino equipment, but have never used it. I'm also eyeballing Everything Attachments for prices and products.

I welcome your thoughts and opinions!

Thanks,
Mike

 

[IndyIan]

I have a 84" rear blade for snow and if I bought another one I'd go 96", or an 84" slider, to get more offset to have the blade stick out further to the side. It would be good to drop snow off the side of my raised driveway without getting the tractor so close.
Can't help you with the rest as I don't have them, but I'm going to get a heavier box blade. I'd like to find a used 1000lb 6'er but something in the 600lb range may have to do.

 

[IslandTractor]

I have had Rhino equipment in the past on a smaller tractor and have always thought it was high quality and pretty much the same as Woods or Landpride. Of course each of those manufacturers makes light or standard duty as well as medium and heavy duty implements in each width up to six or seven feet. I find the medium duty to be easily sturdy enough for daily use with a DK40se while the standard duty is generally adequate for less common tasks.

I have some medium duty and some standard duty equipment. Prezeled a standard duty six foot Woods rake and haven't used the standard duty Woods boxblade enough to be confident but so far no issues. Medium duty bush hog will out live me. Medium duty skidsteer forks with 4000lb rating is a good match. Even a light duty grapple is fine however, don't waste money on heavy duty grapples.

 

[murphy1244]

Pallet forks 48" pallet forks 3700 lb rated , Don't need to be rated this high
3000 lbs is plenty.

 

[IslandTractor]

Pallet forks 48" pallet forks 3700 lb rated , Don't need to be rated this high
3000 lbs is plenty.

I wouldn't be uncomfortable with 3000lb forks as there is some safety margin but a loader rated for 2760lbs to full height can easily exceed 3000lb lift to lower levels. Also, if you put something like a quickspade on the forks you can exceed designed strength pretty easily. 4000lb forks are not much extra as I recall and give a bit more margin for error.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

You may get by with the light duty implements, but the heavy duty ones work a lot better, especially for grading purposes.

 

[IslandTractor]

You may get by with the light duty implements, but the heavy duty ones work a lot better, especially for grading purposes.

Don't forget medium duty. IMO heavy duty is for commercial use. Medium duty mowers and boxblades are excellent for CUTs.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Don't forget medium duty. IMO heavy duty is for commercial use. Medium duty mowers and boxblades are excellent for CUTs.

Notice that I emphasized grading implements. Yes medium will hold up, but the extra weight of the heavy duty grading implements makes a HUGE difference with how well they perform. A 350lb rear blade will not hold a candle to a 600-700lb rear blade. You can actually get something accomplished with a heavy duty unit. Yes they cost more, but you get what you pay for with the end results.

 

[MotorSeven]

Murph is right, pallet forks will be your best friend.

You might want to think about a grader instead of the rear blade for your driveway. In my opinion they really don't do much for a gravel driveway. My neighbor has one and the pot holes return a day or two after scraping. I have a 7' HD International BB with T&T on the tractor and I have found that it is also not the best tool for gravel, but better than a blade, and great for dirt.

I bought the Grademaster Utility-7, 660 lbs $1100 delivered, and so far I am pleased. Pot holes go away, and the driveway looks like it has had a load of new gravel spread. Once properly adjusted, you just go, one pas up and one back...done. Here is the thread I started on it:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/232491-any-grademaster-owners-here.html

I also have a 6' International HD rotary mower w/slip clutch, I don't remember the exact price but I think it was $8-900. It has held up well and I don't think the Bush Hog at twice the price is a better mower, so you might want to shop it around on a few other brand names like Woods.

Throw a post hole digger in their too:thumbsup:

 

[murphy1244]

IT,but a loader rated for 2760lbs to full height can easily exceed 3000lb lift to lower levels???
What does that mean???

 

[MtnViewRanch]

IT,but a loader rated for 2760lbs to full height can easily exceed 3000lb lift to lower levels???
What does that mean???

Not IT, but every loader has a rated capacity, most only rate to a full height lift. Some , not sure which ones, will rate at 12" 36" & 60" lift height. At all of those lift heights, the loader will physically pick up more weight than what it is rated for at a full height lift. My Mahindra 7520 is rated to lift 3900lbs to full height, about 11 feet. I have lifted over 6000lbs 24" off the ground. It would not go any higher, actually it was 22" off the ground.

 

[IslandTractor]

Not IT, but every loader has a rated capacity, most only rate to a full height lift. Some , not sure which ones, will rate at 12" 36" & 60" lift height. At all of those lift heights, the loader will physically pick up more weight than what it is rated for at a full height lift. My Mahindra 7520 is rated to lift 3900lbs to full height, about 11 feet. I have lifted over 6000lbs 24" off the ground. It would not go any higher, actually it was 22" off the ground.

Exactly. I raised the point just to show that the margin of safety with 3000lb forks is smaller when on the KL401 loader. The flip side of this is that 3000lb forks don't bend or break when loaded with 3100lb loads. I would imagine they are pretty conservatively rated.

 

[MotorSeven]

I don't know and didn't ask what size/rating my forks were when I bought them. I picked them up when I picked up the tractor and my dealer sells a lot of them. I have used them way more than anticipated while building my house. I have noticed some wear/bending on the rails the forks sit and slide on. The forks themselves are fine which I would guess are a harder alloy steel then the rails/frame. Eventually I may have to do a repair if the damage gets worse, so if you have an option to buy any attachment HEAVY DUTY...do it!

 

[kiotiken]

Exactly. I raised the point just to show that the margin of safety with 3000lb forks is smaller when on the KL401 loader. The flip side of this is that 3000lb forks don't bend or break when loaded with 3100lb loads. I would imagine they are pretty conservatively rated.

Just to add that the weight of the forks themselves count and reduce the available lift capacity. So, the KL401's 2700 lbs is down to around 2300lbs with the forks attached, maybe less depending on where it's measured. I'd look more at the breakout force that it's rated at and subtract the weight of the forks from that.

If there's little additional cost to going with the 3700lbs rated forks and they don't weigh significantly more (reduces remaining lift capacity), that's how I'd go.

 

[IslandTractor]

Just to add that the weight of the forks themselves count and reduce the available lift capacity. So, the KL401's 2700 lbs is down to around 2300lbs with the forks attached, maybe less depending on where it's measured. I'd look more at the breakout force that it's rated at and subtract the weight of the forks from that.

If there's little additional cost to going with the 3700lbs rated forks and they don't weigh significantly more (reduces remaining lift capacity), that's how I'd go.

You're right in principle about the weight of the forks though technically I think you would only subtract the difference between weight of forks minus standard bucket.

I would be most concerned about the lifts of heavy objects up a couple of feet as that is when you can easily exert more than 3000lb force For example when moving a boulder or when using something like a spade attachment to dig which puts more leverage on the forks. However, as noted earlier, I think forks are pretty conservatively rated for legal reasons.

 

[kiotiken]

You're right in principle about the weight of the forks though technically I think you would only subtract the difference between weight of forks minus standard bucket.

I would be most concerned about the lifts of heavy objects up a couple of feet as that is when you can easily exert more than 3000lb force For example when moving a boulder or when using something like a spade attachment to dig which puts more leverage on the forks. However, as noted earlier, I think forks are pretty conservatively rated for legal reasons.

I don't think the bucket is included in the rated lift capacity, that's why it's listed as "Pivot Pins". I just looked it up, the breakout force at the pivot pins on the KL401 is 3727lbs. You'd probably exceed the rating of the forks up to a couple of feet off the ground when the FEL geometry starts to significantly reduce lift capacity. I agree with you, the rating on the forks is probably conservative, but it is there for a reason non the less. Leverage from prying is a whole different ball of wax and may damage the higher capacity forks as well.

 

[IslandTractor]

Bottom line for me on the forks is that a set rated at 4000lbs seems reasonable. I have used such a set for the last four years including with the shovel spade and the forks are still true as is the mount. I would bet the 3000lb forks would be fine but I like the bigger safety margin.

 

[kiotiken]

Bottom line for me on the forks is that a set rated at 4000lbs seems reasonable. I have used such a set for the last four years including with the shovel spade and the forks are still true as is the mount. I would bet the 3000lb forks would be fine but I like the bigger safety margin.

I totally agree, you've got my vote.

 

[Lloyd_E]

SItractor,

I am running almost all Rhino stuff. I have had no issues and have used the gear a lot.
You may want to consider a wider measurement to get beyond the width of your tires.

Lloyd

PS: I seldom use the back blade. Actually only used it once. Box blade can do a lot of things.

 

[southerniltractor]

Folks,

Thanks for all the feedback.

Motor7, I like the idea of a grader versus a back-blade. I'm thinking my box blade will make up not having a back blade. The long gravel drive does need tending and the grader seems to be the ticket.

LLoyd, what model Rhino equipment do you have? They make several versions of the same size impliments. I want heavy enough to last, but I do have a budget to consider. Both kids need braces!

Thanks,
Mike