Im losing faith fast,

[PA hayseed]

I had an experience like yours with my Cub Cadet tractor. I had that thing in the shop more than I had it working. It was everything from the belly mower, radiator leaks, bad boots, more radiator issues, more mower issues, cracked 3 point hitch etc etc. I traded it in on my Kioti. Since I have had the Kioti, I have had some problems but not the kind like I did with CC. Heck, I bought the CC because of their reputation.

I won't defend Kioti or knock them, that backhoe appears to be junk and someone (dealer or manufacturer) should be on the phone to make it right. I am not talking about a fix again, I'm talking about replacing it.

Been where you are, feel your pain. OTOH, I got to know my service guy at the dealership very well.

 

[Gittyup]

There's no relationship between the size of the backhoe/tractor and their realibility. There are plenty of machines out there with small backhoes, some even smaller than CK's, that work very well and are reliable. Mine has been great (and very useful) too. There are also true commercial backhoes under 50 HP that work for thousands of hours under very harsh conditions.

I will say, that when I was buying, I read a few posts where there were problems with the Kioti backhoes. For that reason, I went with a Rhino backhoe instead. However, after 3 years of reading and watching, there have been very few issues with them from what I can see. At the time of my purchase, I just wasn't so sure. Were I buying today, I wouldn't hesitate to get the Kioti backhoe.

I know it's frustrating for things to fail when you are depending on them to get something done. Hopefully, you'll get to the bottom of these last issues and then have 100's of trouble free hours.

 

[rcrcomputing]

These little tractors are to little for a fel let alone a backhoe,problems bound to arise.

I wouldn't want a backhoe on anything less than about 50 hp[you'd think by the time you get a tractor with that many hp,body/frame/etc,would be big enough to handle it.]

I think your crazy..

Sounds like 80 percent of your problems come from hoe.

You need to fix that thing,sell it,and get you a much bigger tractor.

Kinda like plowing a field with a sears lawnmower,[love that picture of that]

I think he's just had a few more than his fair share of problems, but it's not been fun for the dealer either. It comes under the heading "shlt happens". Just deal with it..
Looking over the problems, I don't see a "lemon". I just see a few more kinks than normal to work out. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[IslandTractor]

The Bh is a 2365, (paid $5000) bought it last spring, So did I get the old problematic BH? it would be my luck

Yep.

That said, it sounds like they replaced the main valves which I believe were the main problem area with that 2365 BH. I had one myself and it worked great on my CK20, I never had any problems with it at all. Luck of the draw.

 

[IslandTractor]

I wouldn't want a backhoe on anything less than about 50 hp[you'd think by the time you get a tractor with that many hp,body/frame/etc,would be big enough to handle it.]

Dare ya to walk into a convention of BX23, 24, 25 owners and make that statement.

I think it is a matter of matching the BH and tractor. The CK can clearly handle a 6ft BH with ease. I found the CK20/KB2365 match up to be every bit as effective as my DK40se/BH90x combo. In fact, while the bigger tractor/BH can obviously do more it doesn't do twice as much despite twice the horsepower. The Kubota BX 23 etc series has a well matched BH and tractor too. I'd love to have one for the smaller jobs.

 

[rimshot]

350 hours on my CK20 with KB2465 backhoe saddled on at least half of those hours. The unit managed to gobble up every stump large and small that got in it's way and the bh has performed without missing a beat. This backhoe is a solid performer so far as I am concerned.

rimshot

 

[greenmule]

Well,as a matter of fact,I am crazy,but thats got nothing to do with them little tractors with a back hoe on them.

People get these little things and think they got a dozer,little toy hoe is gonna break,[if you use it like a backhoe].

 

[J_J]

KenGod,

I think you should put a pressure gage in the line going to the BH, and see if you have pressure. Then put the gage in the line going to the boom. Something on the BH should work if you have fluid going to the valve. You said the engine was loading up, that means that the fluid is blocked somewhere. Try some different QD's, Feel the hose before and after the QD's. You should feel it jerk when pressure is applied. You can track down most problems with a pressure gage. Simple to make and use.

 

[Jaybr]

I'm starting to loose faith as well. My CK was in the shop 3 times in the first year with starting issues, the solenoid on the fuel pump wouldn't open. The dealer replaced fuel pump, switches, solenoids, etc then on the last trip the entire wiring harness. They told me if that didn't fix it they where pushiing Kioti for a new tractor.

Then last summer I had a power steering hose blow out, I pulled the hose off and dealer had one shipped directly to me.

Then yesterday a seal or something blew out in the hydraulic pump, oil running out when the tractor is running and little to no hydraulics.

To top all that off, my great dealer, which was one of the reasons I went Kioti, sold the business and the new owners dropped Kioti for Kubota.

 

[darkviper]

I think this has got into a blame game here. First of all the guy that says that the tractor is to small. OK you speak some truth and then you are over reacting to. Its like this you would not use a 3/4 truck to pull 24 tons of gravel. However you can pull 5 tons all day long. Same applies to the backhoe. You are right there are some that dont know where the limitation lies and then tries to do to much. But others of us know what we can and cant do and for them the machine is just fine. I will put my Bh agianst anyone on with a 50 HP and do the same work with two exceptions. One it will take me longer and two i cant lift as much with it. Otherwise it will be just fine aslong as i dont beat it.

Now to the orginal question about moving the hydro pump arms to the off position and the tractor loads down. I am assuming at this piont that you are talking about the remote valve or yellow handle. If this is the case the very first thing i would suspect is the Quick Disconnect. I have seen times on larger tractor where either the ball on the male end will not make contact to the female end or the female end is worn and not allowing the ball to open. I have even had this happen while running a loader ona 100 HP tractor. It turned out to be that the tab in the Female end had finally worn enough that the ball closed as if it was not even connected and the circut was closed. What i suspect you are hearing is that the Bypass valve has opend thus the excess load on the engine because of the closed circut.

These tractors i think are a normally open system. So it is possible that one of the valves in the backhoe iteslf could be bad but that would require that a valve be locked in a up or down position. If you have dirt blocking it then i would get the filter changed ASAP!!!

But in all honesty I think you should start with the QD then work back. you can even try reversing them. the BH wont work but you can see if the engine will load up or not. Keep us informed Id like to know what the outcome is.