If there are aliens, what will they look like?

[/pine]

This is an amusing thread...and likely has more than a few followers reviewing what they learned in Jr. High physics...
But I really have to say what the debate reminds me most of is this:

 

[Jstpssng]

We all know that if you're in an airplane traveling level flight at 500mph, or a city bus going 30mph, and stand up in the aisle and jump, you're gonna land right back where you started.

Not me. I'm going to land on my butt, and all of the other passengers will laugh their tails off.

 

[MossRoad]

It's the same thing as jumping while IN a moving train VS while ON TOP of a moving train...
- you jump while IN a moving train and you land right where you jumped from.
- you jump while ON TOP of a moving train, and you're going to land in the opposite direction that the train is moving.

That's due to wind resistance.

ON TOP of a moving train, you are subject to the train moving through the air.

IN a moving train, the air inside the train is moving at the same speed that you, and the rest of the train, are moving. There is no wind resistance. You are an object in motion, and you'll remain in motion until something acts against you, like wind or gravity. (Thanks Mr. Newton).

The same thing happens on the earth's surface. You and the air that you're standing in out in the middle of a flat field on a calm day are moving at the same speed as the surface of the earth. You jump and there is no wind resistance. Therefore, you land in the same spot. If you jump on a windy day, you may move a bit in the direction the wind is blowing, but on a calm day, you won't.

Reasonable, rational people can see these things and observe them for themselves. For whatever reasons (ignorance, mis-wiring, pure stubbornness, etc.) a very small number of people cannot or will not.

 

[MossRoad]

This is an amusing thread...and likely has more than a few followers reviewing what they learned in Jr. High physics...
But I really have to say what the debate reminds me most of is this:

All right. We'll call it a draw.

 

[MossRoad]

Not me. I'm going to land on my butt, and all of the other passengers will laugh their tails off.

 

[the old grind]

I guess the earth stopped rotating for approximately 3 hours.

Pretty much everything within Earth's gravitational field retains its rotational momentum as it leaves the ground, just like the surface it leaves. Do we measure the speed of a tree in the yard or our wash hanging on the line, a bird in flight or a fishing lure cast from shore? Not much to measure there or to see with the naked eye.

That said, there is indeed such a thing as Earth's rotation actually having an effect on objects leaving the surface. It's called the coriolis effect and it varies by direction and latitude. Germany accounted for this in its calculations when aiming its 'Paris gun' in WW I. Fired from East of the city it's range was seventy-some miles, if not accurate within a whole km or so, but aim accounted for coriolis to move the target within it's trajectory, thus extending it in practical use. The maximum effective range would be shorter if shooting to the East, as the target would be moving away from the artillery piece.

You believe that something else happened without proof and I'm honest to say that it appeared to hit something. Why isn't my speculation just as credible as yours?

IMO we may be listening to your opinion(s) more deeply than you are considering ours. The 'proof' we offer is consistent through the ages and universally corroborated. (btw, it lacks race and gender bias, just as Jesus taught) If your 'speculation' is that all governments & cultures have conspired to promote science as though it were a 'religion' since before the New Testament was written IMO it's quite a stretch to imagine that all of them have conspired to promote it.

btw, I'm willing to agree to disagree anytime without disdain, guys.

 

[tradosaurus]

Pretty much everything within Earth's gravitational field retains its rotational momentum as it leaves the ground, just like the surface it leaves. Do we measure the speed of a tree in the yard or our wash hanging on the line, a bird in flight or a fishing lure cast from shore? Not much to measure there or to see with the naked eye.

That said, there is indeed such a thing as Earth's rotation actually having an effect on objects leaving the surface. It's called the coriolis effect and it varies by direction and latitude. Germany accounted for this in its calculations when aiming its 'Paris gun' in WW I. Fired from East of the city it's range was seventy-some miles, if not accurate within a whole km or so, but aim accounted for coriolis to move the target within it's trajectory, thus extending it in practical use. The maximum effective range would be shorter if shooting to the East, as the target would be moving away from the artillery piece.

IMO we may be listening to your opinion(s) more deeply than you are considering ours. The 'proof' we offer is consistent through the ages and universally corroborated. (btw, it lacks race and gender bias, just as Jesus taught) If your 'speculation' is that all governments & cultures have conspired to promote science as though it were a 'religion' since before the New Testament was written IMO it's quite a stretch to imagine that all of them have conspired to promote it.

btw, I'm willing to agree to disagree anytime without disdain, guys.

You are conjecturing ideas to fit your belief system. There is absolutely no way to prove that everything retains its rotational momentum. If so how does the wind blow and clouds move in relation to the ground?

The Coriolis affect is fiction. The supposed toilet going backwards in the southern hemisphere is pure fiction.

The fact is the idea that the atmosphere and the ground are rotating at the same speed is purely science fiction. Like a helicopter blade the rotational velocity at the tip is much higher than the rotational velocity close to the center of rotation. We would experience constant hurricane force winds if that were the case.

 

[tradosaurus]

Because yours is speculation and the actual reasons were well explained.

Just as almost everything I presented is well explained. You believe your way and I believe my way. My religion of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is stronger than your religion.

 

[tradosaurus]

What are you talking about?

Just give it some time to sink in. If the earth were actually rotating Baumgartner would have landed somewhere way east of where he launched.

 

[tradosaurus]

The matter is settled. We now have a video of both an alien spacecraft and its occupants.

Some people will believe in anything but the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.