I SWORE I never do it
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Sigarms
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Guess that would depend on the gun. Heck, there are .45's out there now that can get 14/15 rounds in the mag.
The way I have it figured is if you aren't going to get the job done defending your life with the first three rounds, don't really matter how many you have after those first three other than to make noise. Can't hit your target and it doesn't matter how many rounds you have.
Now, that said, I hate the fact that a $30 magazine will turn into a $100 magazine due to the political climate.
gdh
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Doesn't it just feel good to buy a new firearm, intoxicated by American freedom.
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I was thinking the 40 would be a good choice for law enforcement because of more fire power vs the 45. Ken Sweet
I've finally replaced the 1911 with a SA XD-40 with hi-cap mags and CT grips.:thumbsup: It's hard to beat in low light situations. Any body else itching to shoot pool balls when the snow melts. I suspect the real thing will look very different from TV.
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Sigarms
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I've finally replaced the 1911 with a SA XD-40 with hi-cap mags and CT grips.:thumbsup: It's hard to beat in low light situations. Any body else itching to shoot pool balls when the snow melts. I suspect the real thing will look very different from TV.
Although I really do enjoy shooting this new Sig (and I've given up carrying my 1911 in condition one for primary carry), nothing in the world feels better in my hands and has a natural "point ability" than a John Moses Browning High Power. Of course that is only my opinion, but I know there are others who feel the same way
archerynut
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nothing in the world feels better in my hands and has a natural "point ability" than a John Moses Browning High Power. Of course that is only my opinion, but I know there are others who feel the same way
I feel the same way.
I bought a 4006 smith when they first came out, and carried it on duty for 13 years. When the Rheumatiz got bad enough I couldn't carry that hunk of stainless for 8 to 12 hrs comfortably I went to a Springfield XD in .40 cal. I carried it for a couple of years until the recoil started bothering my hands a buddy let me try his .45 XD. It is hard to believe how much less felt recoil the 45 has compared to the 40. The 45 holds 13+1 rounds and fits the same holsters I already had for the 40. I still like the 40 cal. round, just find the 45 easier to shoot. I currently own 2 1911 45's and the 45 XD, but still have the 4006 Smith, XD, and 2 Firestar's in 40. It is a **** good round, just better suited to younger hands than mine.
40 = fast and light.
45 = slow and heavy.
40>45 round capacity is more. Example: S&W M&P compact/full size 40=10/15 rounds, 45=8/10. These are double column mags.
Arguably even calibers for defensive pistol distances shots. I wouldn't want either one to hit me -- I doubt I could tell the differences in the details of which one did what. For longer ranges, it's hard to beat aerodynamics and speed of the 40 Short & Wimpy. Have both in my house.
Lots of info out there at the argument level, but the origins of the 40 S&W involved (of all the places) the Kalifornia Highway Patrol. They replicated as the max 40 S&W load the base load for the FBI 10 MM round (same bullets/bore). Which was itself a near clone of a popular defensive 45 acp load (185 gr load IIRC) at the time. Generally probably a better design in a 40 with that weight in accuracy and energy/flatness at longer ranges. I believe the max common load for the 40 S&W is 180 gr. 165 gr seems to be the other most common load on the shelves. One of the design criteria was that the round fit in the then common wonder 9mm's frame length (guns would fit in the smaller hands of women -- this was the early 80's and active recruiting to make up for past wrongs, along with moving up from revolvers).
Oddly enough, that was the argument for the Army/military buying 9mm handguns. Then they picked the larger than 1911 Beretta (nice gun, just big for a 9mm). They do have the SIG for those of smaller hands (now -- M11). I think it was a NATO conforming thing (and maybe we sold some weapons system to Italy). Son that went Infantry said they never even trained with pistols (nor were issued it).
45 = slow and heavy.
40>45 round capacity is more. Example: S&W M&P compact/full size 40=10/15 rounds, 45=8/10. These are double column mags.
Arguably even calibers for defensive pistol distances shots. I wouldn't want either one to hit me -- I doubt I could tell the differences in the details of which one did what. For longer ranges, it's hard to beat aerodynamics and speed of the 40 Short & Wimpy. Have both in my house.
Lots of info out there at the argument level, but the origins of the 40 S&W involved (of all the places) the Kalifornia Highway Patrol. They replicated as the max 40 S&W load the base load for the FBI 10 MM round (same bullets/bore). Which was itself a near clone of a popular defensive 45 acp load (185 gr load IIRC) at the time. Generally probably a better design in a 40 with that weight in accuracy and energy/flatness at longer ranges. I believe the max common load for the 40 S&W is 180 gr. 165 gr seems to be the other most common load on the shelves. One of the design criteria was that the round fit in the then common wonder 9mm's frame length (guns would fit in the smaller hands of women -- this was the early 80's and active recruiting to make up for past wrongs, along with moving up from revolvers).
Oddly enough, that was the argument for the Army/military buying 9mm handguns. Then they picked the larger than 1911 Beretta (nice gun, just big for a 9mm). They do have the SIG for those of smaller hands (now -- M11). I think it was a NATO conforming thing (and maybe we sold some weapons system to Italy). Son that went Infantry said they never even trained with pistols (nor were issued it).
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Sigarms
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That's the biggest problem I have, small hands. My G20 went to Robar for a grip reduction, works wonders. I would never of picked up this P226 if I hadn't shot my buddies new P226 in 9mm with Sig's new E "squared" 2 (I think that is the name) grip. The gun I picked up is going up to New Hampshire for this grip reduction. That's one reason why I liked the P220 so much, single stack thinner grip. I'm still ahead of what I'd end up paying for a new Sig with this new "E" grip out of the box, considering the stainless frame is what interested me (actually still ahead even if I add a .357 sig or 9mm barrel to put in that P226, so I actually have three calibers to work with).
For myself, it's not about the "biggest baddest" caliber you can shoot, but being able to have fun putting holes where you want them. IMO if the gun you're shooting with isn't fun to shoot, chances are you aren't going to shoot it that much. Good practice makes perfect. I've seen too many new people buy a gun on the advice of their friends / boyfriends, only to get discouraged because they aren't having fun because of the larger caliber round they felt like they had to buy. I'd rather shoot a .22, have fun and get great groups than a 9mm and not be able to hit the target. If you can't tell, I'm not a big fan of big bore, lightweight hand cannons LMAO.
Now, all that said, my personal favorite round is the 10mm, because I think it's so versatile. You can load up, or load down, and have one of the widest range of bullets to load to for compared to most other calibers out there.
Way I have it figured is how many LEO's actually have to draw their weapon in the line of duty? How many times have LEO's discharged their weapon only to hit the intended target less than 30% of shots taken? This isn't a criticism on my end, only pointing out that even if you practice and practice putting holes in paper, it's different when someone may be shooting back at you. I still remember the advice given to me a long time ago... "paper targets don't shoot back".
