I just don't understand?

[SkyPup]

I have heard the complaints from others about the exposed hoses under the JD 110 tractor; does anyone know if they corrected the issue? It's hard to believe for the environment a TLB works in; that field testing didn't address that issue? One owner had a steel plate installed underneath his?

One look at those undercarriage hoses and the extra $8,000 cash outlay for the JD110 and I immediately purchased the L-39 instead two years and 450 hours ago, couldn't be happier!

 

[machmeter62]

There is absolutely no way to make "patriotic" purchases on the current global market. I have a high end digital Nikon camera...made in Thailand, not Japan. I looked at a pair of super expensive Carl Zeiss binoculars the other day (just looking) and they were assembled in Hungary. Don't get me wrong, I'm not making any statements regarding quality, I'm just saying there is no way to derive a warm fuzzy feeling about where your money is going. You have no way of knowing. So the only thing you can do, the only thing you should do, is buy the best quality product for the best price and let the market sort things out and you keep as much of your own US dollars as you can.

George, you got it right, but my only fear is the future, if another major war breaks out in this country, and GM or Ford are unable to start sending the tanks and war hardware down the assembly line??! Also, look at Chrysler ownership situation? I think we have given up that security? This also affects our labor market.

 

[N80]

The smooth bore barrels for the M1 Abrams tanks are manufactured in Germany.

Remember back in the 80's when the US government bailed Chrysler out with tax payer money? I'm still waiting for my dividend check. Are you?

 

[machmeter62]

The smooth bore barrels for the M1 Abrams tanks are manufactured in Germany.

Remember back in the 80's when the US government bailed Chrysler out with tax payer money? I'm still waiting for my dividend check. Are you?

Recently there have also been reports of Chinese submarines tailing our Navy Fleet somewhere? They are trying to build their forces in a rapid fashion?! Or I am getting pararnoid?

 

[LarryRB]

The smooth bore barrels for the M1 Abrams tanks are manufactured in Germany.

Remember back in the 80's when the US government bailed Chrysler out with tax payer money? I'm still waiting for my dividend check. Are you?

This too, is getting sickening to read,, The US GOv't guaranteed to back Chrylsers loan, THEY DID NOT BAIL OUT CHRYSLEr as many perceive,., simply guaranteed backing the loans the same as a VA veteran loan , DIfference is, Ioccoca paid it off early because he was allowed to hit the union, sell off non producing plants or outdated plants and a host of other extra's like the corporate planes that weren't used..

 

[CurlyDave]

I have heard the complaints from others about the exposed hoses under the JD 110 tractor; does anyone know if they corrected the issue? It's hard to believe for the environment a TLB works in; that field testing didn't address that issue? One owner had a steel plate installed underneath his?

When i bought my JD 110 I ordered the optional skid plate, which is an exact factory fit for protection of the underside. It was $700-800, somewhwere around there.

At first the salesman didn't understand why I wanted the skid plate, but I got him to get under the tractor & look around. Now he is a believer and recommends them to everyone.

The skid plate had to be special ordered and came in a few days after the tractor was delivered. It took about an hour for the dealership mechanic to install it in my driveway.

Problem solved.

 

[Phyer Phyter]

Ok I'll admit... I am a JD fan. Anyone can make it a little worse and a little cheaper. Ya JD is more money but there is so much more to compare than price tag and HP.

 

[thcri]

Ok I'll admit... I am a JD fan. Anyone can make it a little worse and a little cheaper. Ya JD is more money but there is so much more to compare than price tag and HP.

Real Great words of wisdom for the day.


I think when a person decides he wants a tractor the last thing he should do is look at color. I personally believe he should match a tractor to his jobs, don't try and match your jobs to a tractor. John Deere makes good tractors, but then so does a lot of other manufactures. John Deere has it's own problems right along with the others. In some cases John Deere may not fit the bill and in some cases it will.

 

[N80]

This too, is getting sickening to read,, The US GOv't guaranteed to back Chrylsers loan, THEY DID NOT BAIL OUT CHRYSLEr as many perceive..

What on earth is the difference? The US Govt has no more right or business to be in the banking business than they do in the farming business. (I'm not saying that can't do it or don't do it, I'm saying they shouldn't) If they guaranteed a loan, then they guaranteed it with taxpayer money. So I don't understand why you make a distinction. If they are bailing out, supporting or otherwise guaranteeing private business with my money or yours, even if it is for the 'greater good', then that is socialism in a nutshell. We've gotten used to a lot of it already, but that doesn't make it right or healthy.

The problem such 'deals' cause is really very simple. A corporation (and I'm only talking about corporations here) gets so big and so vital to the economy (or is at least perceived that way) that the government gets invested in the welfare of that corporation for 'economic reasons' that rise almost to the level of national security. When these corporations are preceived this way, then the corporation is free to have undue enfluence on the government which gets into the business of guaranteeing the security of corporations, not citizens. Before long, given the nature of the lobby system, campaign finance and even simple graft, it becomes impossible to tell the corporation from the government. They have a mutuallly beneficial relationship that does _nothing_ to enhance the governments only real job, which is protecting the liberty and security of its non-corporate citizens. Subsequently corporations enjoy liberty's and protections not enjoyed by the citizens. And that is wrong. Period. But we're pretty used to the idea now.

 

[MikePA]

What on earth is the difference?

bail out - To put up money to get someone, or something, out of the trouble they are in. Money is spent.

loan guarantee - Money is only put up in the event a loan is; (1) Defaulted on and; (2) Liquidation of assets is insufficient to pay off the loan. Money may be spent.

Please take political debates to a web site where such discussions do not violate the Terms of Service. Thanks.

 

[N80]

Please take political debates to a web site where such discussions do not violate the Terms of Service. Thanks.

So you can enter a politcal debate and then tell the rest of it to take it elsewhere?

Merry Christmas

 

[MikePA]

So you can enter a politcal debate and then tell the rest of it to take it elsewhere?

Merry Christmas

Definitions are not political, whereas diatribes about what the govt should be doing, or should not be doing, is.

 

[rback33]

Definitions are not political, whereas diatribes about what the govt should be doing, or should not be doing, is.

I have to agree with Mike here. I have said it before and I'll say it again, politics does not belong here. I love political debates, I'll admit it. I sometimes even wish they would add a separate forum, but then I remember all the threads that get out of hand just talking about colors, and how often people forget the just because I (or anyone) have(has) an opinion that you don't like does not make me wrong. I can only imagine what would happen the first time I said Bill Clinton is a snake or George W. Bush is a moron. I can tell you I believe in one, none or both of those statements. PM me and I might tell which.

Back to tractors though.. what was the question?

 

[N80]

Definitions are not political, whereas diatribes about what the govt should be doing, or should not be doing, is.

Correcting someone's political comment is most certainly entering a political discussion. Denying so smacks of intolerable smugness. Hiding behind the term 'definitions' hardly keeps your hands clean especially when the 'definitions' appear to be far closer to opinion than any concrete terminology.

And labeling anyone's comments a 'diatribe' is no more in keeping with the spirit of this site than political comments.

I will gladly refrain from any further political comments. Will you?

 

[MikePA]

I am not going to get into a semantics debate with you. I defined 2 phrases, plain and simple. Find another site to debate politics.

 

[N80]

I am not going to get into a semantics debate with you.

But that is exactly what you just did:

I defined 2 phrases, plain and simple.

Find another site to debate politics.

It was not a "debate" it was a "diatribe". Remeber? You said so yourself. Doggone semantics getting in the way again?

 

[3RRL]

I also agree politics should not be dragged into this discussion.
So this is intended to be a non-political statement.
rback33,
What you said here, may offend a bunch of snakes.
I can only imagine what would happen the first time I said Bill Clinton is a snake ....

 

[john_bud]

What on earth is the difference? The US Govt has no more right or business to be in the banking business than they do in the farming business. (I'm not saying that can't do it or don't do it, I'm saying they shouldn't) If they guaranteed a loan, then they guaranteed it with taxpayer money. So I don't understand why you make a distinction. If they are bailing out, supporting or otherwise guaranteeing private business with my money or yours, even if it is for the 'greater good', then that is socialism in a nutshell. We've gotten used to a lot of it already, but that doesn't make it right or healthy.

The problem such 'deals' cause is really very simple. A corporation (and I'm only talking about corporations here) gets so big and so vital to the economy (or is at least perceived that way) that the government gets invested in the welfare of that corporation for 'economic reasons' that rise almost to the level of national security. When these corporations are preceived this way, then the corporation is free to have undue enfluence on the government which gets into the business of guaranteeing the security of corporations, not citizens. Before long, given the nature of the lobby system, campaign finance and even simple graft, it becomes impossible to tell the corporation from the government. They have a mutuallly beneficial relationship that does _nothing_ to enhance the governments only real job, which is protecting the liberty and security of its non-corporate citizens. Subsequently corporations enjoy liberty's and protections not enjoyed by the citizens. And that is wrong. Period. But we're pretty used to the idea now.

I may be wrong here, but aren't most home mortgages backed by the government? Fannie Mae, Sally Mae? Who backs your savings account? What's the cost of millions of unemployed people at a time when home mortgage rates were 18%?

Now if you were to propose legislation that any senator or representitive that adds an "ear mark" is horse whipped (every $10 ear mark is one whack) -- Then I'm with ya!

I'd move to a different country if any were better, they ain't. Vote out the bums! Red, blue all colors.
jb

 

[N80]

I may be wrong here, but aren't most home mortgages backed by the government? Fannie Mae, Sally Mae? Who backs your savings account?

 

[rback33]

What I don't understand is why we have not locked this thread and moved on....