I Beam Trolley Mounted Chain Hoist for Implements -- What size I Beam?

   / I Beam Trolley Mounted Chain Hoist for Implements -- What size I Beam? #21  
Suppose the OP were to dimension a fairly proportioned sketch of his floor-plan, truss orientation, also beam/posts layout, etc for us, .. not that it would help us all that much. :laughing:

Agree that with stable end support, (post #17) there may be little to none needed elsewhere. (#20) I kind of thought the OP recalculated with a 5" beam to make end-posts-alone enough. Also thought I heard him mention very early on he'd have 'em.

Lights, insulation, people-exercise-gear won't overload trusses much but 'Heavy metal' is a bit much. Spreading load(s) evenly and easily is unlikely as long as they're always mov-able/ing. This isn't to hold a 150lb chandelier or piece of art. :confused3:
 
   / I Beam Trolley Mounted Chain Hoist for Implements -- What size I Beam? #22  
Just to note this, I'm spreading the load with a ten foot beam, across trusses that span twenty feet. That's a 200 square foot area. A 5 lb per square foot load seems to be a typical call-out for supporting ceiling, drywall and insulation, etc. That would be 1000 lbs in my case.

Even so, I like the idea of putting separate supports under the ends of my beam. That's going to happen on walls, not in free space, so it's easy to anchor my uprights to the walls to keep them upright, and to put concrete under the bottoms of the uprights.

A pic of a rough sketch would help us out here.
I'm thinking that you want to fasten your beam perpendicular to the truss's to the bottom of 5 or 6 trusses, (@ 24" centers) the truss "member" you would use is called the bottom chord and unless the design was specifically intended to be load bearing it self & in addition to snow loading, it will be under sized.
 
   / I Beam Trolley Mounted Chain Hoist for Implements -- What size I Beam? #23  
It seems that you've made up your mind already on this, but I'll add to the comments that will hopefully prevent someone else reading this thread in the future from doing the same.

Trusses are a great invention, allowing heavy loads to be carried by the roof with minimal cost of materials. Trusses can only carry those loads when they are applied downwards on the top members of the truss. The configuration means that the forces get distributed to all the other pieces of the truss to distribute the load. If you instead hang the load from the bottom horizontal member, you've basically just got a long 2X4 suspended in a few places by pressed in truss plates (I'm assuming that you've got wooden trusses). Here's an analogy. If you're careful to apply the load evenly you can put a piece of plywood on the top of an empty soda can and load it with a couple of hundred pounds of weight before it will crush. But lay it on its side and it takes a whole lot less to do that.

The table uploaded in post #6 is not applicable to your situation. At the top it reads "maximum allowable uniform loads...". "Uniform" means a load evenly distributed along the length of the beam, which is a lot easier for the beam to carry than what you're planning - applying the entire load to the centre of the span.

Lots of people with a truss construction building without a ceiling put stuff up there as storage. I do. That's generally not a problem since it's difficult to get enough things up there to accumulate to a point where it causes a problem (and the trusses are designed to carry a small load distributed across the lower member - typically drywall and insulation). It's a completely different story when you hang a hoist underneath, though. Not only will the load probably be a lot bigger, but it's also a "point load", not an evenly distributed load. See the previous paragraph.

Your intent is to lift implements weighing half a ton, using a one ton hoist, on trusses designed to carry only a roof load. The trusses might support that, initially. If the question were posed to the truss designer he/she would say that it would fail. Sometime in the future someone will use the hoist to maximum capacity, maybe on a day when the roof is carrying a snow load, and the truss plates have worked themselves loose a bit, and the bottom chord took a hit from something earlier, and the attachment to the load slips and catches adding a dynamic load. And someone might get killed or injured.

If you're going to do this properly, which is actually easier than what you've last stated that you plan to do, the beam needs to be supported on columns at the two ends, only. Not also fastened to the trusses, as you've written that you intend to do.

The beam should be sized so that the deflection under load doesn't exceed a certain amount. There are different codes depending on the situation, but a commonly used one for gantry cranes says that the deflection should not exceed the length of the span divided by 600. So for a 10 foot span the allowable deflection under load would be 10 X 12 / 600 = 0.2 inches. The heaviest of the three beams that you proposed in your original message would deflect about half that amount over a ten foot span with a one ton load. So, just ensure that the columns supporting the beam are properly constructed to constrain both vertical and horizontal movement and leave the trusses alone.

Chris
 
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   / I Beam Trolley Mounted Chain Hoist for Implements -- What size I Beam?
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#24  
It seems that you've made up your mind already on this...

[...]

The table uploaded in post #6 is not applicable to your situation. At the top it reads "maximum allowable uniform loads...". "Uniform" means a load evenly distributed along the length of the beam, which is a lot easier for the beam to carry than what you're planning - applying the entire load to the centre of the span.

[...]

If you're going to do this properly, which is actually easier than what you've last stated that you plan to do, the beam needs to be supported on columns at the two ends, only. Not also fastened to the trusses, as you've written that you intend to do.

The beam should be sized so that the deflection under load doesn't exceed a certain amount. There are different codes depending on the situation, but a commonly used one for gantry cranes says that the deflection should not exceed the length of the span divided by 600. So for a 10 foot span the allowable deflection under load would be 10 X 12 / 600 = 0.2 inches. The heaviest of the three beams that you proposed in your original message would deflect about half that amount over a ten foot span with a one ton load. So, just ensure that the columns supporting the beam are properly constructed to constrain both vertical and horizontal movement and leave the trusses alone.

Chris

OK, you're pointing out a few things that I either didn't know or just didn't notice in the earlier posts. You've convinced me. I'm going to support my beam at the ends on heavy verticals, and leave the trusses alone.

Thank you. It might have worked fine supported from the trusses alone. But that also might have brought everything down on top of me and killed me. And I don't actually know for sure or know how to figure it out. Besides, as you point out, involving the trusses as I last mentioned would actually be more effort. So, thank you for this.

Thank you everybody, for the whole discussion!
 
   / I Beam Trolley Mounted Chain Hoist for Implements -- What size I Beam? #25  
OK, you're pointing out a few things that I either didn't know or just didn't notice in the earlier posts. You've convinced me. I'm going to support my beam at the ends on heavy verticals, and leave the trusses alone.

Thank you. It might have worked fine supported from the trusses alone. But that also might have brought everything down on top of me and killed me. And I don't actually know for sure or know how to figure it out. Besides, as you point out, involving the trusses as I last mentioned would actually be more effort. So, thank you for this.

Thank you everybody, for the whole discussion!

And that, fellow TBN'ers, is how you close a thread you started with politeness and humility and gratefulness...well done, OP, and keep us updated on your progress! Maybe a separate build thread?

TXCOMT
 
   / I Beam Trolley Mounted Chain Hoist for Implements -- What size I Beam? #26  
And that, fellow TBN'ers, is how you close a thread you started with politeness and humility and gratefulness...well done, OP, and keep us updated on your progress! Maybe a separate build thread?

TXCOMT

Does this mean we can derail it now and talk about chickens? :laughing:
 
   / I Beam Trolley Mounted Chain Hoist for Implements -- What size I Beam?
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#27  
Does this mean we can derail it now and talk about chickens? :laughing:

Whoa, wait! No derailing here! If that thing comes off the beam, it's really gonna hurt!

Why? You really like chickens or something?
 

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