hydro on hills

[Roadkill95]

I don't know much about hydro so here goes. If you are going up or down a hill and stop in the middle and take your foot off the pedal should the hydro hold you there or would you have to use breaks or move hydro pedal in the opposite direction. ( going down hill you would have to give it a little reverse to hold you there)

 

[shvl73]

On a mild incline, mine will hold. On a steeper incline, I'd step on the brake. I'd always use the brake when getting off the tractor.

 

[FrogLick]

I'm using a B3030 (hydro) on land with plenty of hills and few level spots. I find that the hydro doesn't prevent any movement when in the "neutral" position and always set the brake when in doubt; I usually also lower the FEL to the ground.

 

[Bird]

If you are going up or down a hill and stop in the middle and take your foot off the pedal should the hydro hold you there

It might, but only if it's a very slight grade. Basically, the answer is NO.

or would you have to use breaks or move hydro pedal in the opposite direction

Yes.

 

[john_bud]

A new hydro with perfect clearances will hold the tractor from moving, pretty much. As they are broken in, the clearances open up a touch and the holding ability is lessened. The answer is the same as the others have stated, use the brakes.

jb

 

[Roadkill95]

Thanks for the replies but why do they put the brakes on the same side as the hydro pedal?
Isen't that a little awkward if woking in a tough area without room for a tiny bit of roll when going from brakes to hydro? If you could be giving a little gas when you take off the brake would make more sense.

 

[texasjohn]

All replies above are solid... and fully reflect my experience. On my 5030 when you set the brakes a lever holds them. To release the brakes, just push on them and the lever trips... meaning you are still in a brakeing mode. I find that little to no movement occurs between the moment I take my foot off the brake and hit the hst pedal.... of course, RPM's are set to where they are needed for the situation.

I personally find the HST extremely safe on hilly terrain because of the minute control you have over forward/reverse movement. Personally, although I have no actual knowledge, I believe that the pedal positioning is similar to that for driving a gear shift car/truck. Hit the clutch with your left foot. Right foot is EITHER for the accelerator OR the brake pedal. There are rare occasions, discussed at some length on other TBN threads, where you are seeking to reduce turn radius and want single rear wheel braking... for this, you just have to contort yourself to be able to hit the proper pedal with your left foot while staying on the HST with your right. Can be done. There seems to be no completely perfect arrangement of pedals for all people and all situations.

 

[alchemysa]

Personally, although I have no actual knowledge, I believe that the pedal positioning is similar to that for driving a gear shift car/truck. Hit the clutch with your left foot. Right foot is EITHER for the accelerator OR the brake pedal.

The pedal arrangement on the Kubota HST's must be a hangover from manual gearboxes that require being able to apply the brake and clutch at the same time. But with a HST it would be much better to be able to work the brake and HST at the same time - so the brake should be on the left hand side. In my opinion the right side brake pedal set-up is ridiculous and potentially dangerous. I've had 30+ years experience with 'manuals' and i still cant get used to the Kubota pedals. But I have a ride-on mower with the hydro pedal on the right and the brake on the left and its very easy to adapt to and its handy to be able to use both pedals at once.

By the way, with my HST the neutral position provides absolutely no holding power whatsoever. (Another reason the brake pedal should be on the left). Fortunately I operate on flat land.

That reminds me of another problem with the brake pedal placement on my Kubota. Stomping on the brake pedal with my right foot and having to reach down to the right side of the trans to release or engage the handbrake with my right hand is an ergonomic pain. It would be much better to reach to the opposite side to the leg you are using - as on my ride-on mower. Maybe its something they changed on later models.

 

[Chris2520]

The pedal arrangement on the Kubota HST's must be a hangover from manual gearboxes that require being able to apply the brake and clutch at the same time. But with a HST it would be much better to be able to work the brake and HST at the same time - so the brake should be on the left hand side. In my opinion the right side brake pedal set-up is ridiculous and potentially dangerous. I've had 30+ years experience with 'manuals' and i still cant get used to the Kubota pedals. But I have a ride-on mower with the hydro pedal on the right and the brake on the left and its very easy to adapt to and its handy to be able to use both pedals at once.

By the way, with my HST the neutral position provides absolutely no holding power whatsoever. (Another reason the brake pedal should be on the left). Fortunately I operate on flat land.

That reminds me of another problem with the brake pedal placement on my Kubota. Stomping on the brake pedal with my right foot and having to reach down to the right side of the trans to release or engage the handbrake with my right hand is an ergonomic pain. It would be much better to reach to the opposite side to the leg you are using - as on my ride-on mower. Maybe its something they changed on later models.

Hay , over at JohnDeere.com thay got a whole bunch of green tractors
with the brake peddles over on the left side where there suppose to be. and the park brake is eather on the left side , and or the dash.....

I guess you did not find that very funny....

I just was playing with you a little bit
I better run out of here before i get tar and fethered by
the Kubota clan.....

 

[texasjohn]

alchemysa, I noted that you have 3000 hrs on your tractor..... I guess that perhaps with time/wear the holding power of HST pedel in neutral.. When I first got mine, it wouldn't budge when in neutral, now on a kinda steep incline it'll creep.

 

[LBrown59]

I don't know much about hydro so here goes. If you are going up or down a hill and stop in the middle and take your foot off the pedal should the hydro hold you there or would you have to use breaks or move hydro pedal in the opposite direction. ( going down hill you would have to give it a little reverse to hold you there)

On my BX23 when you take your foot off the Hydro.Petal or let it return to the center position that automacially applies the brakes.

 

[LBrown59]

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A new hydro with perfect clearances will hold the tractor from moving, pretty much. As they are broken in, the clearances open up a touch and the holding ability is lessened. The answer is the same as the others have stated, use the brakes.
jb

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The hydro petal is the brake on a BX23
You also have a seprtate parking for when you are getting off the tractor.
Always drop the fel or front blade when dismounting any tractor.

 

[alchemysa]

I just was playing with you a little bit
I better run out of here before i get tar and fethered by
the Kubota clan.....

Chris. I'm no cheerleader for Kubota. if someones got a better idea I'm happy to admit it. And having a brake pedal on the left would be better in my opinion.

Texasjohn. I've only had the tractor for 18mths so I couldnt say what it was like when new. I see that BX23 owners say that HST 'neutral' also applies the brakes. That sounds like a good idea. (I think)

 

[TGD]

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The hydro petal is the brake on a BX23
You also have a seprtate parking for when you are getting off the tractor.
Always drop the fel or front blade when dismounting any tractor.

I would have to disagree with this. While taking your foot off the hydro pedal will stop the tractor (rather quickly in reverse), it will not prevent the tractor from rolling on an incline. Use the brake to hold it on a hill or incline.

Phil

 

[LBrown59]

1*I would have to disagree with this.
2*While taking your foot off the hydro pedal will stop the tractor (rather quickly in reverse),
3*it will not prevent the tractor from rolling on an incline.
4*Use the brake to hold it on a hill or incline.

Phil

The hydro petal is the brake on a BX23.
4*You also have a seprtate parking brake for when you are getting off the tractor.
Always drop the fel or front blade when dismounting any tractor.
3* Where did I say it would?
4*I thought I covered that here 4*
1*So then: what's to disagree with ???

 

[LBrown59]

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The hydro petal is the brake on a BX23
You also have a seprtate parking brake for when you are getting off the tractor.
Always drop the fel or front blade when dismounting any tractor.

 

[rdsaustintx]

The hydro petal is the brake on a BX23

Nope.

 

[bx23barry]

double "nope"!!!!!!!!!!
Shut the engine off and watch it roll away. The center position on the hydro pedal hydraulically stops/slows axle movement but it has nothing to do with "brakes".

 

[LBrown59]

Nope.

I stated that You also have a separate parking brake for when you are getting off the tractor.
So are you saying you have to step on this peddle every time you want to stop the BX23?
In 850 hours and 4 summers of using my BX23 I've never had to do that.
Simply letting off of the treadle petal has always worked fine for me.

 

[ChuckinNH]

Hey Chris, did you come over here looking for a snowblower, and front blade that were as wide as your tractor...????