hydraulic hoses

/ hydraulic hoses #41  
We just got an order from a farmer for 200 hoses. all as stock for replacements when a hose blows on his implements.
all 1/2 inch hoses 1/2npt ends.

i guess you guys that don't use many hoses are not real farmers. especially around Wayne county, PA

After making the post I did about the string I was sorry :eek: I did when I saw the seriousness of the thread as I continued to read then I came to this post :mad::mad:

My uncle, who raised me and a bunch of others had a wood shed and out back behind it he kept a red hose, do not think it was a hydraulic hose, but when we messed up real bad! Well my uncle would reintroduce us to that hose.

Well MR UNITEDHOSE I would like a chance to introduce you to that hose OUT BACK!! Come this way, BOY!!
 
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#42  
After making the post I did about the string I was sorry :eek: I did when I saw the seriousness of the thread as I continued to read then I came to this post :mad::mad:

My uncle, who raised me and a bunch of others had a wood shed and out back behind it he kept a red hose, do not think it was a hydraulic hose, but when we messed up real bad! Well my uncle would reintroduce us to that hose.

Well MR UNITEDHOSE I would like a chance to introduce you to that hose OUT BACK!! Come this way, BOY!!

in all fairness this guy is in the top 3% of farm size in USA
 
/ hydraulic hoses #43  
Having a small coil of a few sizes of hose and some reusable fittings with a few adapters can make a lot of sense for some people.

Ken
 
/ hydraulic hoses #44  
in all fairness this guy is in the top 3% of farm size in USA

Wouldn't it make more sense to just sell the guy a crimper, couple rolls of hose and some fittings..??.....He wouldn't have to stock generic stuff and he'd have ready access to any hose in minutes......

I don't understand the logic, isn't like buying a bunch of lumber precut in different lengths just because you're too cheap to buy the necessary tools to cut it.....

Certainly he's spending a good deal of money for 200 hose assemblies anyways....and oh yes adapters to fit all those odd ducks too.....
 
/ hydraulic hoses #45  
We are ス hour from the logging company that has about 85 to 90 percent of the Hydraulic hose businesses in town. They make sure that during hay season that we have their on-call phone number. If we blow a hose, we pull the hose, call them, they are there when we get there ready to assemble said hose so in less than an hour we are back to haying. Cost? The price of the hose, and no surcharge. It has only happened one time in 28 years. But the service is there if we need it. :thumbsup:
 
/ hydraulic hoses #46  
I don't believe a small to medium size operation can justify the inventory investment in reels of hose and a BUNCH of fittings( and probably still not the right one). Most of my farm machinery uses either 1/4, 3/8, or 1/2 inch hose.
I have invested in having a 6ft, 12ft, and 18ft hose made in each of the three diameters with female #8 jic ends on each hose. I then purchased about $100 in various adapters. So far, I've used these spare hoses at least
6 times (on a weekend while baling, mowing hay, or bush hogging) to keep me going until I had the time to get the proper replacement hose made up.
Twice, I did not have the proper adapter needed and as a result was "down" until Monday. It's really like having a spare belt for the round baler.

when ya working around rain, more so planting and harvesting times. and something breaks. you are in trouble more so in rainy years. and ya only get 4 to 8 days of working time in on the fields. a day or 2 of down time, can mean entire field not getting put in till late, or being harvested rather late.

but if ya have mission critical stuff. i would assume the farmer has some sort of spare hose much like what you have done. that or have direct contact numbers of service call folks, that will most likely have the stuff. and be able to make a drive out and do the repair work.

if a hose busts in the field. most likely you are stuck in the field. and unable to take it out onto the road and drive the implement back home or to a dealer. and most likely implement and tractor are left in that spot. or drove up to nearest area to road. to allow easier fix.

i would imagine, you would also need an assortment of tools. from screwdrivers, socket wrenches, box end wrenches, hammers, funnels, hydraulic fluid, PB blaster or like, and it comes down to, are you setup like a mechanic might be with tool boxes on the truck with other stuff. or is it easier to call a service person, that can look up specs quickly. and grab a couple parts off the shelves and make a single trip to the area and do what is needed vs multi trips and longer down time if done by yourself.

for me, having some spare radiator hose is worth while to have around with some adapters. i replaced some hyd hoses, (outer coating cracked away, starting to pinch, etc...) i save those hoses. they are still good. and usable in a pinch. and like you if i was bailing hay, and running implements that had long hyd lines, and multi hyd lines. i would most likely have a few different sized hoses with a small parts bins with adapters.

but to have 100's of feet of hydraulic hoses. and lots of adapters. just does not make since to me, exception perhaps is some sort of machinery plant, or like were many things in the buildings run off of hydraulic hoses. and if that is case, the mechanics most likely have crimpers, and buy by the reel of hyd hose. and have a good size bins with various adapters. or the tractor is an older tractor and all the hoses are to a point of needing to be replaced. and the person is buying in bulk, plus a crimper and enough fittings. to do a re-haul on a tractor and possibly some implements.
 
/ hydraulic hoses #47  
unitedhose said:
We just got an order from a farmer for 200 hoses. all as stock for replacements when a hose blows on his implements.
all 1/2 inch hoses 1/2npt ends.

i guess you guys that don't use many hoses are not real farmers. especially around Wayne county, PA

Ignorance is bliss. Hey city boy, next time your $50,000 car is stuck in a ditch on some back road I hope some poor farmer with his $100,000 tractor laughs on his way by.
By the way, did you ever figure out the difference between ORB and ORFS?
For the record mr. United hose swallower, I have forgotten more about hyd hose and fittings than you will ever know.
 
/ hydraulic hoses #48  
Wouldn't it make more sense to just sell the guy a crimper, couple rolls of hose and some fittings..??.....He wouldn't have to stock generic stuff and he'd have ready access to any hose in minutes......

I don't understand the logic, isn't like buying a bunch of lumber precut in different lengths just because you're too cheap to buy the necessary tools to cut it.....

Certainly he's spending a good deal of money for 200 hose assemblies anyways....and oh yes adapters to fit all those odd ducks too.....

This is what I would have done. It's hard to calculate exactly, because local prices vary, but I determined some time ago that our basic hose crimper, a portable unit with manual pump, would pay for itself after approx. 100 hose assemblies.

That calculation did not include the cost of down time, so if getting up and running quickly is critical, being able to make your own hoses is probably the way to go.
 
/ hydraulic hoses #49  
That's what I did - bought a used crimper setup. Payback for me was about 20 hoses assuming there is no residual value in the crimper and no value to downtime.

Ken
 
/ hydraulic hoses #50  
Some guys don't realize that a crimper is not necessary for some brands of hose......the dies are setup where you just bottom them out with the recommended dies for the right hose/fittings....

The setup I have is Gates and this does not work as the machine is calibrated for certain "Squish-up" determined by the digital setting for the crimper to stop....

I've seen local auto parts stores locally that just had a hand operated shop press in the back room and they made them successfully.....Customers out front didn't even suspect no crimper....
 
/ hydraulic hoses #51  
Hydraulic hose replacement can be economically accomplished by installing adapter fittings (Discount Hose) to convert to NPT then using standard hoses with NPT ends from local farm supply ($5 to $25 for 3/8"). After installing the adapters, I just have to replace the NPT hose section. I only have to keep a few different length hoses with NPT ends to repair anything on the tractor, loader, etc. This is less expensive than keeping lots of different hose end fittings, bulk hose and investing in crimpers, etc.
 
/ hydraulic hoses #52  
This would work even better if your hoses have JIC female swivel ends.

JIC female swivel hose ends are the most common hydraulic hose fittings in North America. JIC connections seal on an internal cone, and are held together with a straight mechanical thread, which does not suffer from thread deformation the way the pipe threads do.

JIC female hose fittings are always swivels, so installation is a breeze. Because JIC hose fittings are so popular, there is almost no end to adapter combinations available: JIC x NPTF, JIC x ORB, JIC x Metric, and so on. JIC adapters come in many varieties, including tees and elbows, and more sizes as well.

Now, if only you could get your farm store to stock hoses with female JIC fittings.
 
/ hydraulic hoses #53  
I'm with you Ken (DHH)......JIC fills the need best and adapts to anything

I don't like pipe threads but I have to cater to all replacements...:confused2:....especially don't like pipe swivels (the ones with the oring internally in the hose end)
 
/ hydraulic hoses #54  
wdchyd,
I have used the adapters with pipe threads (with thread tape) many years and never had a problem. The pipe threaded ends on "farm store" hose (and the hose) using the adapters has held up better than original.
 
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/ hydraulic hoses #55  
I'm glad you like them Economy......I use them on occasion cuz I have to but don't like them....... understand that pipe threads being an interference thread was originally designed to be used only once for plumbing piping and not reused.......Pipe threads were developed long before high-pressure hydraulics was around

Ever notice the more times you reuse pipe threads they don't seal anymore?

You can use whatever you want, for the record I will never use thread tape on any hydraulic system ........Just my opinion...:)
 
/ hydraulic hoses #56  
Yep, dont use tape on hydraulics. Best to use a sealer/dope.

AS for the NPT threads. If it were mine and I were going to use farm store replacement hoses that were NPT, I would adapt whatever the hose goes to, to a NPSM swivel fitting. That way, once you are adapted, when you have to change a hose, its just like a JIC, only the "swivel" part will stay with the cylinder.
 
/ hydraulic hoses #57  
......... NPSM swivel fitting. That way, once you are adapted, when you have to change a hose, its just like a JIC, only the "swivel" part will stay with the cylinder.

Those work well
 
/ hydraulic hoses #58  
Those work well

Yep. Just as good as a JIC.

IMO, there are WAY too many types of fittings and threads out there that make it very difficult to match stuff up.

TOO many of them tube-type compression fittings "look" like a JIC fitting, but are just a tad different size and finer thread. So when sorting through a box of misc parts, its a PITA.
 
/ hydraulic hoses #59  
I need to replace some hose on this L-3130 Kubota. Can someone tell me how this coupling comes apart? Rear Hyd.jpeg.jpg
 
/ hydraulic hoses #60  
On my M series Kubota, the connection you show is 3/8 inch, right hand, national pipe thread (3/8 inch NPT). I believe the hose end in your picture is a solid connection, so you will need to remove the other end of the hose first. I found a replacement at a farm supply store.
 

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