How to use front mount pump hydraulics for rear remotes?

[maz]

Hi all, I have a MF65 industrial with a front mount hydraulic pump for my FEL. Is there a way I can either use some sort of diverter or a valve with power beyond to use the hydraulic pressure for rear remotes? This pump would be a lot quicker for lets say a log splitter, than the internal lift pump and taping off it.

Any help is appreciated.

 

[oldnslo]

Since I am not familiar with MF65 hydraulics does the front pump run other functions or just the FEL? If just the FEL you can run either a diverter or use a power beyond valve on the FEL.

If it runs other functions you may already have a power beyond loader valve. You will need to trace the pressure line from the pump to see where it goes. If it goes to the FEL control valve and then that feeds the flow to the 3PH you already have a power beyond system.

 

[maz]

Yes the front pump at this moment just operates the FEL, the lift arms have their own pump. Right now the front pump feeds loader controls, which have double acting cylinders on the lift and dump. when fluid returns to the controls it goes into reservoir then the pump grabs fluid from there. The reservoir is in the right hand side loader arm. So if i understand correctly (new at this) if i put a double acting (so i can go forward and reverse) control valve with detent (so i could if i want continuously run something) and power beyond which would then feed the FEL. This would work and I wouldn't lose any loader capacity or function?

 

[aczlan]

Yes, you could put a power beyond valve in the pressure line before the current loader valve, tap a new hole for the tank line on your new valve and you are ready to go.
Any chance you could post a few more pictures of your tractor? It looks a lot like the "Industrial 35" that Dad used ot have (had a 50HP perkins under the hood, the same front axle and a similar loader, frame looked the same but his had 2 bucket cylinders)

Aaron Z

 

[2458n]

I have the same set-up on my 245 Kubota and 2-60 White. Thank you for asking this question. The White has one rear remote, but I need two for batwing mower. Pump up front goes to open center loader valves.

 

[whirly]

Yes, you could put a power beyond valve in the pressure line before the current loader valve, tap a new hole for the tank line on your new valve and you are ready to go....

Aaron Z

Actually, you would run the current pressure line to the PBY valve (you may need to have a longer hose made) and just run the PBY return back to the pressure port of the current valve. The flow would go thru the current valve back to the tank. No need to "tap" the tank for the PBY return.

 

[oldnslo]

Actually, you would run the current pressure line to the PBY valve (you may need to have a longer hose made) and just run the PBY return back to the pressure port of the current valve. The flow would go thru the current valve back to the tank. No need to "tap" the tank for the PBY return.

Whirly,
The new PBY valve also requires a tank line.

NOTE: If your existing FEL control also has the system relief valve built into it you MUST have a relief in the new PBY valve if put before his existing FEL control.

Operating the PBY valve will prevent flow from going to the FEL control. With PBY in center condition the FEL will operate like it does today.

 

[maz]

So since I can't use the FEL when I'd be using the new rear remotes, wouldn't it be better if i just put a 3-way diverter on the pressure side infront of the loader controls and put my new valves out back? If I did just use a valve with pby are you sure i'd have to put a return to tank? wouldn't the fluid just go from the valve to the implement and back to the valve then onto the original loader controls and then to tank? As i say i'm new at this just asking what may sound like dumb questions to get an idea.

aczlan, here are some more pictures. from what I understand it's a 1959 MF65 Industrial... It used to have dual bucket cylinders and someone in the past has scabed on the single. I'm pretty sure it has the Perkins 203.4 Diesel engine. But very hard to find any info on the net, cause it's to early to be a 3165.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Mount your new power beyond valve where you want it to be.

Disconnect your pressure line from your loader valve.

Run that pressure line to the in port of the new power beyond valve.

Run a new line from the power beyond port of the new valve to the in port of the existing loader valve. (where the original pressure line was attached)

Run a new line from the out or tank port of the new valve to be teed into the return line of the loader valve.

You now will have a working valve that works properly and is safe.

Either install QDS on the new valve or make a mount for the QDS for a more convenient point to access them and run lines to them.

Fairly easy and should cost you $500-$600 depending on just what all you end up doing.

I don't think I would worry to much about being able to use the loader and rear remotes at exactly the same time. As long as you aren't using the full flow into a remote, your loader will still work, it would just be slow is all.

Good luck.

 

[aczlan]

Run a new line from the out or tank port of the new valve to be teed into the return line of the loader valve.

If his loader is like Dad's was (and I think it is), the tank is in the right loader tower (the one that the valve is mounted to). The tank goes from the back axle to the top of the loader tower and IIRC, the "tank" port on the valve goes directly inside the tank, down to the filter on the side of the tower (with a pipe inside the tank) and dumps back into the tank, so no external tank line to tee into. Hence my suggestion of welding a new fitting onto the tank/loader tower.

Aaron Z