How to disable reverse PTO kill switch?

[getut]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Guys, we are mixing up seperate issues here. The only thing the Magnuson Moss Act does is protect the consumer from having to use OEM parts)</font>
No.. the Act deals with Warranties and their definitions. When they can be defaulted on and such. It is much broader than what you mention.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( CubTech; If you alter/tamper with the unit at all you will void the factory warranty. )</font>
Cub.. your are wrong, plain and simple. The Act specifically allows ANY modification to a unit. Modification not ONLY covers oil filters and other items, but also physical modification. Before a warranty can LEGALLY be refused, an owner modification (of <font color="red">ANY</font> type) must be DIRECTLY proven (by the dealer or manufacturer) to have been the cause of the problem and not a defect. If an owner decides disassemble his entire tractor and use the parts for something else, not a single safety interlock survives the owners assault, and the owner finds out that a tire had a puncture from the factory... guess what... the dealer gets to either replace the tire or break the law by defaulting on the warranty.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The dealer cannot let a machine go out the door without an originally installed safety feature, as this could somehow be traced back to them. Magnuson-Moss has nothing to due with bypassing a safety device.)</font>
Magnuson-Moss has to do with warranties. See above.

 

[wle]

MAGNUSON MOSS WARRANTY ACT

US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312

Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) .

 

[wle]

This woulod apply to disabling the switch as well.

 

[CubTech]

If you really want to get into this... It is the dealers choice on whether the warranty is valid in a situation like this.

The dealer will not work on an "unsafe" unit.

YOu can scream about the ACT all you want. If you ALTER or TAMPER with the unit your warranty will be voided.

If the switch is bypassed or removed it will be repaired or replaced and the unit will be returned to you in factory condition. Due to liability and insurance reasons. In some cases you will be charged for the replacment of the switch(s).

The dealers and Cub do this to protect you and themselves.

You may think its a burden but its there for your safety!

I don't see what the fascination is with mowing in reverse anyways. Ive been mowing for years and never had to mow in reverse. The deck is in the middle of the mower and you have the same blade cut on both sides on almost all of the units.


Do you cut your whole lawn in reverse?

All this fuss over a safety device.

 

[getut]

You may speak the truth about the dealer refusing service.. but you are wrong that they can do it legally.

If an owner decided to take a dealer to court over refused warranty work because of an unrelated modification, then most certainly the dealership would lose and would be forced to make the repair anyway.

You are correct that it is the dealerships decision, but they cannot make that decision arbitrarily. They must adhere to the law in refusals or risk lawsuits that they would absolutely lose in a situation such as we're talking about here. An ill informed owner could be refused in this scenario and go home with their head hung low. A well informed consumer would know their rights and take it all the way to court if necessary.

As for the repair statement, you are wrong there also. If a shop charged for repairing something that the unit was not brought in for, the consumer can legally refuse payment.

I'm done with this one now, but I'll end by saying you obviously work for Cub and have a vested interested in spreading FUD (Fear, uncertainty, doubt) about consumer warranty rights. These are rights guaranteed to the consumer. All they have to do is be informed and stand up for them.

 

[CubTech]

Wow, have you ever heard of the right to refuse service? The dealer has every right to refuse service or warranty.

Cub isn't going to pay for your mistake. Neither is the dealer.

So since you claim to know everything.... show me a manufacturer that will pay for you altering or tampering with the unit?

You are right though, a customer can refuse payment. The tractor will remain at the dealership till the bill is paid.

A dealer can refuse any repair at any time. If you don't like it you can choose a different dealer.

I see this stuff ALL DAY long and I deal with it ALL DAY long.

Its like me going out to my car and disabling the airbags and driving home. I get into an accident and get injured or the car breaks down or it doesn't start. Those injuries or the car breaking down couldve been prevented if I hadnt disconnected the airbags.

So I take the car to a dealer and the warranty gets denied because they see that I disconnected the airbags.

Its the same thing. The car's manufacturer isnt gonna pay to fix it.

and you can't take them to court and win either...

This is my last post... because you know the ol saying about opinions.

 

[wildcatman]

I happen to enjoy the ability to mow in reverse. Only a moron would accept the blades disengaging every time they want to reverse the tractor.

 

[JTKub]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (( MAGNUSON MOSS WARRANTY ACT

US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312

Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) [/Q]


Thanks wle! Like I said, that's it in a nutshell.

G/luck
Joel

 

[JoshJ]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't see what the fascination is with mowing in reverse anyways. Ive been mowing for years and never had to mow in reverse. )</font>
The problem isnt mowing in reverse, its driving. OK, I'll bite, so you may have never mowed one speck of grass in reverse. But I am willing to bet that at least once you have reversed to reposition the mower (3-pt turns, anyone?) That is the problem. I personally have no fascination with mowing in reverse (unless I get reallyyyyy bored /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif or have a short strip to do) but its nice to be able to back up to reposition and not deal with the PTO everytime. I have enough to do to still be able to cut a lawn in a decent amount of time.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Do you cut your whole lawn in reverse? )</font>
Hahaha..... Not sure what you trying to prove with that but it sure would be fun to try sometime!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[JTKub]

ronT, do you think seat-belts are dangerous as well? (j/kidding /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif) I agree that the mow in reverse safety swithches are a major nuisance. One real world lawn mowing with a LT/GT will tell you that, but the OEM has to install them. Otherwise they would be out of business in short order thanks to all the lovely attourneys and sue happy people on this earth !@#$% /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. Get used to them, or get used to disabling them!
G/luck
Joel

 

[CubTech]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Give it up, you can't win. )</font>

hahahah.. what is in this for me??? what am I trying to win?

Im here to let you people know and try to save your time with the dealers.

But if you people want to waste time running back and forth from your dealer and lawyer and such.. go right ahead.

Airbags are in the vehicles because they save more lives than they injure... way more!

Samething with seatbelts

Samething with Cub's safety switches.. they are there to protect you in the event something does happen.

Im just trying to tell you.. if something happens and you disable the switches and you get property damage or personal injury.. you are on your own...

 

[Spiffy]

Thanks CubTech!!

I too agree with the majority: if the "safety" feature bothers you, disable it, but I do appreciate hearing from the other side.

The same disregard for common sense in laws [and machine usage] IMO makes it a toss up how a judge or jury would side on the warrenty issues [the law proctects mods from warranty concerns, but yes, a dealer does have the right or "responsibility" to excerscise judgement on "unsafe" machines].

I doubt anyone, dealer or user, is going to pay legal fees over a mower. Most dealers worth working with are decent about this sort of thing; I say the finicky ones don't deserve my bussines. If he's otherwise great, but a little squeemish on safety, just rewire it before taking it in for warranty work. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

As far as causalty type legal issues, I have no doubt CubTech is right, but if you run over yourself with a lawn mower I don't think it should be CC's problem anyway, so the modification just helps clarify it. On the other hand, if the engine blows up and throws rod fragments through the firewall into my groin, I'd expect CC, or the engine mfg, to be responsible that all my parts are in full working order as well as the mower - regardless if I was mowing in reverse when it happened!

Anyway, a disgrunteled opperator is much more dangerous than any switch can offset: if it bothers you "fix" it! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[JayC]

Well, I had a chance today to take a closer look at that kill switch. I'm not sure what to do. A spring is attached to that metal piece that pushes the kill switch up. The spring looks like it keeps the metal thing from floppin down. I think I can get the spring unhooked. Will it be ok to unhook the spring so that metal thing just flops there?

 

[cwarrix]

JayC, did you try to simply unplug the electrical connector going to the switch? That's all it took on mine as I remember. I think I was looking for a much more complicated solution when I made that discovery. Just a thought. Only takes a minute to unplug it and see if it works. Might save you some re-engineering /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[JayC]

Where would the plug be located? With where the switch is, I couldn't see where a plug could be.

 

[ronT]

Lazy1 (Cub_Tech1)

If you are a representative of Cub...I know I'm done giving my business to them. How do you sleep at night with your attitude toward the buying public? Amazing..... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[CubTech]

Wow, im amazed at how people get so emotional on here.

All i did was state Cub's warranty.

I was trying to save you people some trouble.

Bye

 

[cwarrix]

Hi JayC, it's been a couple of years now since I did mine so I can't remember exactly how it was situated. But, if you see the switch, there has to be some sort of electrical connection to it... I'll try to take a look at mine again to get a better idea. Although mine is a different model, I was thinking yours would be the same, or at least similar. I could be wrong.

 

[CubTech]

Thought I would share this:

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 4-Year-Old's Leg Severed In Lawn Mower Accident
Boy Wanted To Tell Mower Driver Something

POSTED: 10:06 am EDT May 18, 2005

BUTLER, Ohio -- An Ohio 4-year-old boy continues to improve after a horrific lawn mower accident severed part of his leg, reported the Ohio News Network, Newsnet5's news partner.

Family members said Gabriel Ivey was playing outside his Butler County home, while a family member was mowing the lawn in a large, tractor mower. Witnesses said the boy ran up to the driver to tell him something, but the driver did not see or hear Ivey. He backed the mower into the 4-year-old.

The accident severed Ivey's right leg just above his ankle. Paramedics said the boy stayed alert while they transported him to the hospital, ONN reported.

Ivey was upgraded to stable condition at Children's Hospital Tuesday night after spending much of the evening in the emergency room. )</font>