Hi from Mexico City

[metalworker]

Hi all. Thank you for accept me in your community. My name is Alejandro Barrera. I like to share with all of you a pictures of my engine Wisconsin 1954 mod T F assembled in a generator welder Hobart mod GW-222 in almost complette restoration. Please go to Flickr: emynder's Photostream I hope you enjoy it. Thanks

 

[TedLaRue]

Alejandro, welcome to the TractorByNet forums!

Wow! That is a beautiful restoration. Your photos are excellent.

How long have you been working on it?

What parts did you have to make? The rubber air intake pipe/hose? Any other parts?

Have you tried to use it yet?

 

[sandman2234]

Nice job! I have the same basic engine sitting out in the garage under my staircase. Never paid much attention to it, as it is just another motor, but yours looks great! Maybe I need to get it out and get it started.
David from jax

 

[metalworker]

Alejandro, welcome to the TractorByNet forums!

Wow! That is a beautiful restoration. Your photos are excellent.

How long have you been working on it?

What parts did you have to make? The rubber air intake pipe/hose? Any other parts?

Have you tried to use it yet?

Hi Mr. Ted. Thanks for enjoy the pics. The restoration has began since 5 years ago (september). The engine was found in very poor conditions. The engine parts was disassembled one by one ( I mean ALL) was cleaned carefully and I was thinking never can finish, but my customers and friends tell me GO AHEAD. I haven't pics from the beginning because this project was a simple game for me. The choke area has been modified from the original specs and in his place I was adapted a shutdown switch The rubber pipe is used in a radiator cooler from any kind of engine, just was cutted to exactly size for good look. Of course the engine runs fast and very very well. The welder generator works at 100% for any kind of welding test. Daily I run the engine for get ready when somebody want come to see it and test it

 

[metalworker]

Nice job! I have the same basic engine sitting out in the garage under my staircase. Never paid much attention to it, as it is just another motor, but yours looks great! Maybe I need to get it out and get it started.
David from jax

Well, start the work is so difficult because don't know what parts of the engine you can repair or restore it, but after this is so easy if you have a porpouse for it. Hope you can make this and I can support to you in you need

 

[TedLaRue]

The choke area has been modified from the original specs and in his place I was adapted a shutdown switch .

I don't understand "shutdown switch". The "choke" reduced air flow to the carburetor. What does your "shutdown switch" do? I'm curious!

What other work do you do?

 

[metalworker]

I don't understand "shutdown switch". The "choke" reduced air flow to the carburetor. What does your "shutdown switch" do? I'm curious!

What other work do you do?

Maybe you can't understand because my english is not very good. I like to say button switch off. The air flow get in very well because the choke control always is open. Just I use it for when the engine is in off process for keep gasoline in valves area for easy start again. I'm a welder man since 1985 and I work for my own. If you want to know about my next project this will be a restoration of an antique welder generator ASEA. When I get the pics I will send it for you

 

[sandman2234]

A before and after picture would be great.


As far as my motor, it will probably just stay under the staircase till somebody needs it. I probably won't ever need it, just hated to send it to the scrap yard
David from jax

 

[metalworker]

A before and after picture would be great.


As far as my motor, it will probably just stay under the staircase till somebody needs it. I probably won't ever need it, just hated to send it to the scrap yard
David from jax

You are not the only one who's ask for the pics before. Unfortunatelly I haven't because in the beginning of this project it was just a game for me. This is the first engine I restore. As tell you before start is so hard when you see your engine so dirty, knocked and all about of scrap yard engines that you can say: This scrap will never works｡ but the time was running and you can watch the progress of the restoration. This is the reason why I'm not take pictures. I'm not worried because there are so many people who's can testify the project. It will be a shame if you want to send to scrap yard your engine. Maybe in your community are somebody who's wish take the challenge of repair your engine. I think the old engines are so much better than new engines

 

[TedLaRue]

Maybe you can't understand because my english is not very good. I like to say button switch off. The air flow get in very well because the choke control always is open. Just I use it for when the engine is in off process for keep gasoline in valves area for easy start again. I'm a welder man since 1985 and I work for my own. If you want to know about my next project this will be a restoration of an antique welder generator ASEA. When I get the pics I will send it for you

metalworker,

Your English is much better than my Spanish/Mexican!

In English, "switch" has several meanings. As a noun (thing) it usually means an electric switch.

Please post pictures of your next restoration project when you have them.

 

[metalworker]

Mr. Ted here are a picture of the generator welder I will restore. I don't know when I start, but I guess it will be more easier than the other, because this have a electric motor included. Anyway this will be interest. Thanks for your comments about my english I hope soon I can writte better than now

 

[LBrown59]

metalworker,

*Your English is much better than my Spanish/Mexican!

.

Same here .
I can't even do any Mexican / Spanish.

 

[metalworker]

have you try to take a spanish lessons?

 

[TedLaRue]

have you try to take a spanish lessons?

Where I live there are not many Spanish-speaking people. I studied Latin for two years in high school many years ago, so I can read Spanish pretty well, but I can't speak it.

I'm a teacher at the local university and I have students of many nationalities (Latino, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian, Nepalese, Pakistani, Kenyan, you name it). I wish I knew all of those languages.

metalworker,
Please post again or start a new thread when you make progress with the generator/welder.

 

[metalworker]

Hi again. Yesterday I was upload 2 more pictures of my generator welder for if someone are interested Flickr: emynder's Photostream

 

[Farmerford]

Welcome Alejandro.

That's a beautiful job on the Wisconsin welder. The name plate seems to indicate 200 amps and 25 volts open circuit. Is that right?

The commutator seems hardly worn. Did you have it turned down (on a lathe), or had it just had very little use.

Please keep us posted on the motor-generator project. I always wondered why welder's were made in that style. I saw quite a few of them in the late 1940's and early 1950's in rural south Georgia. I was later told that there were several reasons. The rural power lines were not designed to handle the large unbalanced inductive load created by a transformer/rectifier, and the motor-generator created a less unbalanced load. I was also told that in the early 1900's efficient and reliable rectifiers were not available, and that a rotary converter of AC to DC (such as your motor-generator) was the only way to get DC welding current. Someone else mentioned that the inertia of the rotating motor and generature armatures stored energy that helped offset fluctuations in power line voltage.

I never got to weld with one, but someone who had used one said that the DC current was much smoother than the current from a transformer/rectifier setup.

Perhaps you or some of the other professional welders on the bulletin board can straighten me out on this.

Good luck with your project.

 

[metalworker]

Thanks for your comments. The D C welding current is the best for a excellent results when you are working because the fluctuations in welding process may cause porosity and in generatos never this happen. The high rpm of the generator will prevent this fluctuations. For this reason I like to work with a generator. So many people don't like it for so much noise this welders cause, but I don't care I love generators. I guess you must find the way to weld with this and feel for yourself the pleasure of work with it. The
ASEA generator welder is in stand by because my workshop is very small. Until the gold engine go away I will wait for a while. By now I'm repairing the armature. (Believe me, must be rewired so carefully)

 

[varmint]

It's always a pleasure to see the results of loving craftsmanship. There's a big difference between just repairing something, and doing it the best you can. I imagine the work you produce with this machine can be fine, too.

 

[metalworker]

It's always a pleasure to see the results of loving craftsmanship. There's a big difference between just repairing something, and doing it the best you can. I imagine the work you produce with this machine can be fine, too.

Hi and thanks. The engine works really good, but don't be used because after 5 years of restoration will be a shame if for any reason is spoliled the paint or some of his components. By now still in show piece. Anyway welds terrific. Soon I will upload a video with the engine welding. I suppose so you have seen the video YouTube - Wisconsin engine Mod T F 1954 showing the engine running

 

[Farmerford]

Great video!

I noticed that you started it with a full turn of the crank or more. As a youngster I was taught that you should limit it to a quarter turn of the handle and then to pull the handle off the shaft because the impulse magneto might cause it to fire the spark plug early and kick back. Does yours ever kick back when starting?

I recall a 1950's Wisconsin V-4 on a combine that you could (sometimes) start just by turning the flywheel with your hand (and being very careful with your fingers).

Farmerford