Help!! Kennel being put in across the street

   / Help!! Kennel being put in across the street #1  

jpierce

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I came to this forum very happily, as we just had moved to the country and was really enjoying being in the rural mode again. This week we got a letter about rezoning the 90 acres across from us as a kennel. No big deal I said to myself, probably a little home business.

Guess what - it is for 150 dogs and 50 cats!! My peaceful existance I currently enjoy is being threatened along no to mention the traffic this will generate...

We have till April 13th to protest......

Anybody have similar stories they feel like sharing with me to help ease this pain!!

Hate to vent somewhere as we just were happy about getting a good quote to build an outbuilding!!!
 
   / Help!! Kennel being put in across the street #2  
I don't have a similar story but you should go to the zoning hearing and express any concerns you have to them.

Things I can imagine as problems:

Increased traffic (those dogs and cats have to get there, if this is a kennel where they stay while people are on vacation or such that is 150 cars a week X 2 (delivery and pickup).

Is this a paved road? Who maintains the road? Find out and go to the head of the department and ask him what the extra traffic will cost the county every year in additonal maintenence. He may want to get involved in the hearing if it is going to be a problem for him. At least try to get him to give you an estimate of any additional cost. When you make your presentation you can say "Mr. John Doe, Director of Road Maintenance for the county told me on March 29th that he anticipated that the additional traffic to this facility would require increased maintenance of the road at a cost of approximately $XXXX dollars per year."

Noise-this could be addressed by fencing and locating the kennels at the rear of the property.

Odors-This is a biggie. 150 dog piles a day adds up to a lot of fertilizer.

Dog hair in the sewage system-If you are on a public sewer system you may want to contact the head of the sewer department about this. They will be required to put in a macerator to grind the dog and cat hair or the sewers will be stopping up. Talk to the head of the sewage department and get the same information like I stated in the part about roads.

If this in not on a public sewer but a septic system talk to the county health department and be sure to mention the hair issue. I can imagine a septic system would have to be pumped regularly since the hair will float and go into the field lines and stop them up.

Rabies-Are they going to have an isolation area available in case an animal is suspected of having rabies. With this size operation this might be a consideration.

Kennel or health department permits-They may be required to get a permit from the county health dept. for a facility this size.

Health issues-This is a biggie. If 1 dog comes in with parvovirus the whole kennel can be wiped out. I have seen shelters that had to euthanize every dog in the shelter and then clean the entire shelter, floors, walls, etc. with bleach water to kill the virus. It was kinder to euthanize the dogs than let them all die from the disease. BTW, this is one good reason all dogs should see the Vet annually.

Flies-What provisions have they made for fly and insect control?

What provisions are there for a daily wash down of all kennels? Kennels have to be washed down daily to maintain sanitation.

These are all legitimate problems that need to be addressed. If they can address them to your (and the other neighbors satisfaction) then you may be able to live with it.

If this is a legitimate business they should have already addressed all of these potential problems. A kennel of that size, if designed and run properly, is an expensive proposition. If this is some idiot with 90 acres and a half baked scheme to make money you need to help the zoning board find a way to deny the application. I can envision some idiot who thinks he can put up a fence and put all the animals inside it. At least the dogs would have plenty to eat after he added the cats!

Find out what the present zoning is for that and the surrounding properties and what the proposed zoning would be. Find the definitions for the type of zoning so you know what the different classifications allow.

See if you can show that the proposed zoning is so incompatible with the surrounding zoning as to be impractical. Reasonable zoning should be transitional, i.e.: Residential, next to light commercial (strip shopping centers), heavy commercial beyond that, and finally industrial beyond that. This gives the residential a 'buffer' area between them and the manufacturing plants.

Please, write all your questions down and take them to the hearing. Do NOT trust your memory. Make your presentation professional. One thing I have found in dealing with various government entities is that a lot of folks think that an emotional appeal will work. It will NOT. The zoning board has laws they have to follow so your presentation must address the legal aspects. Leave the emotionalism out of it. As much as possible use statements like I gave in the traffic section. Use as many names of county employees as you can along with the dates you talked to them and any $ figures they can give you.

The future owner of the property should be present at the zoning hearing to address all these issues. If he is not prepared with ready answers at the hearing it will demonstrate to the zoning board that this is not a well planned venture. I say 'future owner' because in most cases someone offers to buy the property with the contingency that it can be rezoned for their proposed use. If they zoning doesn't go through the sale doesn't go through.

If you make a professional presentation of your concerns and the kennel guy does not even have a set of preliminay plans you have a good chance. At the very least you can get the process postponed until he has a set of plans drawn by a professional along with answers to all of your questions. If this is a haphazard idea he will not spend the money to have plans drawn and the zoning board will see that this is going to be a sloppy operation. If they do decide to change the zoning they can make it contingent on him doing whatever they want him to do to address the above issues.

DISCLAIMER: I am a licensed Texas Real Estate Salesperson and the above is not intended to be legal advice. If in doubt about any real estate matter contact an attorney.

Bill Tolle
 
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A well run kennel would not be an odor problem but any kennel can be noisy at times. The primary question is if it will be a breeding kennel or a boarding kennel. If the owners are primarily interested in breeding and showing, it would generally be a well run operation, otherwise it might be a problem. 90 acres is a lot of space, if it is to be set well back you might not be very aware of it except for any traffic generated.

Ask lots of questions.

Vernon
 
   / Help!! Kennel being put in across the street #4  
This post hits home for me, well not for me but for my sister it is far enough from me not to be a big problem. i have a family member that has too many mutts, the mess is ungodly to say the least, terrible smell dogs living in their mess, and rats or gettin out of control because of all the dog food. ive tried to talk too this family member and explain to them that the dogs are living teribl lives but there is no reasoning with them. they claim to be big animal rights people but this situation is out of control, they are down to 10 dogs in the home, and they smell so bad you cant breath around them. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. i dont want to cause them any hardship but wish there was some way of getting through to them. i have a sister who lives withen 100' of this and the dog pins keep getting moved closer to her home. she cant sleep at night or go outside because of the smell. they have about 20 dogs outside in various pens walking and sleeping in there own mess. sorry for ranting but this is getting under my skin there is no animal control in our county and i dont want to get them into trouble is there any web sites that i might get them to read to try to get some since in thier heads, /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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Let me tell you how it works around here, or at least in the small town 7 miles away where I used to live. Everyone within 200 feet gets a letter explaining the that if you are against the zoning change, show up at the city council meeting. So, everybody shows up and everybody is against it and the city council OKs the change.

Thats how it happens here.

I hope you have better luck outside the city limits.

Seriously, a dog kennel might not be so bad (other than traffic) as long as the animals are kept indoors, other than "playtime". I take our dogs to "Mans Best Friend" in Carrollton and you can't hear the dogs from outside at all. The only time they go outside is on a leash inside a fenced area for exercise.

But the ones outdoors would run you crazy with the constant barking.
 
   / Help!! Kennel being put in across the street #6  
You need to find out more. Exactly what type of kennel is it? What is its purpose? Who is running it? How will it be staffed? What kind of funding is behind it?

You also need to touch base with your neighbors, both near and not so near. 100+ dogs barking on a still country night can be heard for miles. I can show you a similar setup in Florida run by an animal rescue operation that has an entire community up in arms.

You may need to organize and stop that rezoning. Once it is zoned for that kind of operation, you lose all control over what is done with that property in the dog and cat department. You may well be facing a serious threat to your lifestyle and property values.

As to the suggestion it might be OK if the dogs are on the back part of the 90 acres, don't believe a single word you hear. Promises easily fall apart after the zoning is changed. I've seen this happen first hand. Once the zoning is granted, there may be nothing restricting where the facility is built other than standard setbacks. The kennel could go anywhere on the property.

Sorry if I seem alarmist, but I recently watched a nasty zoning fight complete with a lying, scheming property owner and corrupt politicians in which the adjacent property owners rights and concerns were trodden down with complete disregard for their health, welfare, and general well being.

Don't let it happen to you.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( sorry for ranting but this is getting under my skin there is no animal control in our county and i dont want to get them into trouble /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif )</font>

In Texas the County Sheriff is responsible for animal control outside the city limits.

There are also laws about public nuisances that can be used in some situations like this.

Why don't you want to get them in trouble? They are causing serious problems for those around them and it they get in trouble they deserve it.

If you or your sister have talked to them and they refuse to do anything about it then they deserve to get in trouble.

Besides, you will be doing the animals a favor. Animals do not like to live in their own mess, that is why they will potty in a far corner of the yard for the most part. Making a dog live in a confined space that it not cleaned regularly is cruel and should not be allowed to continue.

No website will make them change their ways, only a warning from the Sheriff will have any impact.

Bill Tolle

Bill Tolle
 
   / Help!! Kennel being put in across the street #8  
150 dogs and 50 cats is max occupancy I would guess. Go to the hearing and look where they plan to put the kennel on the property. It may be 5200' from the property line.
Steven
 
   / Help!! Kennel being put in across the street #9  
A kennel on 90 acres doesn't sound bad to me. Be glad they aren't going to raise pigs or chickens or put in a junkyard or a housing development.
 
   / Help!! Kennel being put in across the street #10  
What's wrong with raise pigs or chickens or put in a junkyard .........? Someone has to do it somewhere. You eat chicken and bacon don't you???? Where do you think that it comes from???? Everyone says "not in my backyard", but it has to be somewhere, so it is going to be in someones back yard. Unfortunately, sometimes it is in one of our backyards. If you really object to having neighbors that have a kennel, then offer to buy the land from them and then you can do what you please with it. They have just as much right to a kennel on there property as you do a home on yours. If you don't like what they are doing, then you can do as I suggest, buy there property or move. I would rather have a kennel on 90 acres of land next to mine, then 90 homes each with 2 kids that are going to put a drain on the other taxpayers in town just to school them. In our town it cost $14,000 per year to educate 2 children from a home that pays $3500 in taxes a year!!!! A kennel sounds very good to me. Around here, 90 acre kennel might pay $15,000 year in taxes and have no kids. It also would provide work for local citizens and that would add to the local economy and the state income tax base. You are barking up the wrong tree if you expect sympathy from the Junkman. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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