HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck?

   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? #171  
I was in a similar dilemma two years ago but my towed weight was a bit higher at 10k#. At the time I thought a HD 1/2 ton was the way to go and Ford and GM were the only games in town at that time, as Ram, Toyota and Nissan did not have enough towing capacity. At that time diesel 1/2s from Nissan and Toyota were on the horizon and I wanted to wait for them to come out but ended up needing something sooner.

Ford dealers wanted too much for new HD Eco boosts and were not dealing at all. GMs were priced better but I just could not get a great deal anywhere I looked on a new truck. I had previously looked at a lot of used trucks, including diesels, but never found a truck in good enough condition for any kind of reasonable price.

In the end I moved up to 3/4 ton diesels due to my weight requirements pushing the limits of a 1/2 ton truck (chassis and brakes), drove some new ones and came home with a new 2015 Ram 2500 diesel crew cab, 4x4, moderately loaded at a very good price from a small town dealer. Overall I paid ~ $8k additional vs. the HD 1/2s. Love my truck and I made the right purchasing choice for my circumstances.

Power and handling while towing are exemplary, but the ride is not as good as a 1/2 ton truck when empty. No comparison in towing power between any gas engine vs. any diesel I drove while on the highway; the gas engines would run out of breath way before the Cummins diesel. Acceleration empty also put the gas engined trucks to shame and is effortless. I average ~ 19 MPG - 21 MPG with a moderate load and driving up and down hills in my area. Seldom is there a flat piece of road to be found. The 17.1k# of towing on the bumper with no required WD hitch is wonderful, as is the factory class v towing options. Wonderful, HD truck.
 
   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck?
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#172  
Thanks for the good report on the 2015 Ram 2500 diesel. I didn't by that F350 that I looked at. So still in the market.
 
   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? #173  
Been doing a little more pricing in my area and it's coming out like this...

2018 F150 Crew Cab 4WD 6.5' bed HD payload, max tow, trailer tow mirrors XLT 3.5EB with a few options I want is around ~$42,000 before tax
2017 F250 Crew Cab 4WD 6.5' bed XLT gas is around ~$40,000 before tax
2017 F350 Crew Cab 4WD 6.5' bed XLT Diesel is around ~$48,000 before tax.

If I factor in fuel use I'm at ....

~$75K for F150 for 200k miles
~$80K for F250 gas for 200k miles
~ $83K for F350 diesel for 200K miles.

If I factor in resale at 10 years, 200K miles that 8K spread all but disappears.

I guess when I look at it over 10 years, I should just get the one I enjoy driving the most. The economics are nearly the same for all three trucks.

It looks to me like you have decided on the SRW diesel superduty truck. Have you done an apples to apples comparison of the 250 and 350 though? I am wondering what is the difference in the price from your dealer on those two, because for your purposes they would both be fine in my opinion. Differences between the diesel SRW 250 and 350 are:
- F-350 has an extra leaf spring. This will technically increase the load capacity and visually mean less squat when carrying weight.
- Has a bigger bump stop (3.5 inch instead of 2 inch I think) which will technically supports an overloaded truck better and visually raises the truck bed an inch or two.
- In some places it has different licensing costs and implications, but for most non-commercial licenses the gross weight is just going to be about 10K for licensing purposes regardless of the actual truck capacity.
- Everything else of significance that I am aware of is the same. Same engine, tranny, axles, suspension, brakes, etc. Pretty much identical trucks capability-wise, for the most part.

Realistically, the weight carrying capacity from the leaf spring and larger bump stop are not going to come into play for your situation, at the weight of your RV and with the squat being less of an issue for 5th wheel hitches than bumper pull. With that in mind, the diesel SRW F-320 and diesel F-250 (only available as SRW) should be identically useful for you, so the question would come down to price. How does your dealer compare for the two?

If it were me I would be taking the lower price, but if you do think the extra capacity would be handy I would still look at the price. If the diesel SRW F-350 is $1000 or more higher than the diesel F-250, I would get the F-250 and then spend $1000 on something like a Firestone Ride-rite air bag kit and a compressor. That would give you much better capacity and load leveling than the F-350's extra leaf spring, and it would also give you the compressor on board for any tire inflation or inflatable toy inflation issues that may come up while RVing. :)

In my opinion from the purposes you have listed here, the diesel SRW 350 and the diesel 250 are going to be virtually identically capable trucks.
 
   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? #174  
It looks to me like you have decided on the SRW diesel superduty truck. Have you done an apples to apples comparison of the 250 and 350 though? I am wondering what is the difference in the price from your dealer on those two, because for your purposes they would both be fine in my opinion. Differences between the diesel SRW 250 and 350 are:
- F-350 has an extra leaf spring. This will technically increase the load capacity and visually mean less squat when carrying weight.
- Has a bigger bump stop (3.5 inch instead of 2 inch I think) which will technically supports an overloaded truck better and visually raises the truck bed an inch or two.
- In some places it has different licensing costs and implications, but for most non-commercial licenses the gross weight is just going to be about 10K for licensing purposes regardless of the actual truck capacity.
- Everything else of significance that I am aware of is the same. Same engine, tranny, axles, suspension, brakes, etc. Pretty much identical trucks capability-wise, for the most part.

Realistically, the weight carrying capacity from the leaf spring and larger bump stop are not going to come into play for your situation, at the weight of your RV and with the squat being less of an issue for 5th wheel hitches than bumper pull. With that in mind, the diesel SRW F-320 and diesel F-250 (only available as SRW) should be identically useful for you, so the question would come down to price. How does your dealer compare for the two?

If it were me I would be taking the lower price, but if you do think the extra capacity would be handy I would still look at the price. If the diesel SRW F-350 is $1000 or more higher than the diesel F-250, I would get the F-250 and then spend $1000 on something like a Firestone Ride-rite air bag kit and a compressor. That would give you much better capacity and load leveling than the F-350's extra leaf spring, and it would also give you the compressor on board for any tire inflation or inflatable toy inflation issues that may come up while RVing. :)

In my opinion from the purposes you have listed here, the diesel SRW 350 and the diesel 250 are going to be virtually identically capable trucks.
When i bought my PSD SRW F350 it was $595 over a F250

The big difference was springs, bump stops, 18" wheel and bigger tires vs the 16" on the 250, and a 1500# higher gvwr which equates to about 1400# more payload.
 
   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? #175  
Been doing a little more pricing in my area and it's coming out like this...

2018 F150 Crew Cab 4WD 6.5' bed HD payload, max tow, trailer tow mirrors XLT 3.5EB with a few options I want is around ~$42,000 before tax
2017 F250 Crew Cab 4WD 6.5' bed XLT gas is around ~$40,000 before tax
2017 F350 Crew Cab 4WD 6.5' bed XLT Diesel is around ~$48,000 before tax.

If I factor in fuel use I'm at ....

~$75K for F150 for 200k miles
~$80K for F250 gas for 200k miles
~ $83K for F350 diesel for 200K miles.

If I factor in resale at 10 years, 200K miles that 8K spread all but disappears.

I guess when I look at it over 10 years, I should just get the one I enjoy driving the most. The economics are nearly the same for all three trucks.

Do you put this much effort into every decision you make?

I guess it is smart I just don't have that much time. Heck the last four pickups I bought I did so without even test driving them.

With that close of a price spread I would get the diesel.
 
   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? #176  
I just got a 2017 F150 3.5eb zsCrew w/6.5' bed. Very happy so far. Just hauled my tractor yesterday for the first time and I was impressed with the power, no problem with these PA hills. 10.5 mpg. No complaints.

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   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? #177  
My tractor weighs around 9500 pounds, (filled tires with hydraulic box scraper) plus 3500 lbs for a 20 footer flat bed trailer.. I couldn't imagine towing that with a 1/2 ton truck. I think they're fine for hauling a BX around though.
 
   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? #178  
The lawyers aren't going to let them rate it for more than they're willing to be liable for. If it was found a manufacturer was grossly overrating their trucks and it was causing a lot of accidents, it would cost them in the long run... I'd imagine most of the half tons today technically could take closer to 20,000lbs down the road successfully. It is the idiots that don't load their rig for proper weight distribution and want to tow at 80MPH and still stop on a dime that keep the limits as low as they are.

As long as you have a brain and use it, you can safely operate your truck to the rated limits of your equipment. All of the safety margins that are needed are calculated into those ratings.

The same can be said for tractors. Can you lift max rated weight to max rated height and not hurt anything? Yes, as long as you have a brain and make proper use of ballast and don't hold the load high on uneven ground and so-on.
 
   / HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? #179  
My tractor weighs around 9500 pounds, (filled tires with hydraulic box scraper) plus 3500 lbs for a 20 footer flat bed trailer.. I couldn't imagine towing that with a 1/2 ton truck. I think they're fine for hauling a BX around though.

Totally agree, I think my tractor and trailer come in at around 7000 lbs, well under the truck's rated capacity.
 

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