Grain farmers chime in! Advice?

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Illinoisdmax

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I need advice from an experienced grain farmer, mainly corn and soybeans. Im a young man in my 20's and have grown up on more of a horse and cattle operation. I lost my dad 6 years ago and had to go take a job in town to keep things goin out here on the farm. I have a lot of experience running larger implements and machines. I just really need to get some advice on what I need to do to get my own grain operation goin and how I could go about obtaining grants possibly.

I'm not sure I posted this in the right place, but any feedback would be appreciated!
 
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I guess no ones interested in helping a young farmer who has no family to help?
 
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Stop by your local ag extension office- they should have some literature for you and you could speak with their agronomist which should be able to explain some best practices for your specific area.

You also might find out if some of the retired local farmers have coffee in a little country diner. If so, you could offer to buy them a cup of coffee in exchange for picking their brain for half an hour or so. They might also be able to help you locate some quality used row cropping equipment.
 
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Thanks Erik, I appreciate it.
 
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I guess no ones interested in helping a young farmer who has no family to help?

Your question is not an easy one to answer. Although this is a tractor forum, I would bet that most of the members here just have no idea how to help you (myself included). Maybe you could try giving us some speciffic questions that you have. I agreee, talking to some farmers in your area is probably going to be your best bet.
 
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strum456 said:
Your question is not an easy one to answer. Although this is a tractor forum, I would bet that most of the members here just have no idea how to help you (myself included). Maybe you could try giving us some speciffic questions that you have. I agreee, talking to some farmers in your area is probably going to be your best bet.

I just didn't want to start the topic off as one huge question. I have the land to start, not necessarily make a years salary on, but enough to start. I lease 30 acres right now to a farmer down the road because I cant do anything with my 504. Id like to know what else ill need besides a cultivator, disk, planter, 100hp tractor and a combine. I could hire someone to haul grain. Pay FS to come spray. The main thing I need to know is the specific implements ill need for an under 500 acre operation right now. And how hard it is to obtain these "beginning farmer grants" that I've been reading about.
 
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How many acres of good tillable land do you have? How much money do you have budgeted for equipment? What is the average yield in your area for corn and soybeans?

For me in my area I started with a 50 horse tractor, 3 bottom plow and 12' disc and 4 row planter. Everything except the tractor is from the 70's, the tractor I bought new. The equipment is all old, cheap and affordable here. I planted 30 acres of corn with this set up. I sprayed with a 12' sprayer (which is equal to my planter). My first year I hired my harvest and lost money in the end. I then bought a JD 3300 harvester with 2 row head and started doing my own harvesting. When the price was down I was just trying to break even as my main farming was hay and corn was a great way to break down an old field for a couple years to put into new hay. With the prices up these last couple years I do actually make some money but not a lot. I still make more money with small square bales and grapes then I do with corn or soybeans. I use any money from corn to help pay for equipment like a grain drill (International 5100 soybean special), 10' disc for various field conditions, 14' cultimulcher, larger plow for my bigger tractor (that haying paid for).

To buy everything to get started from scratch would be a very risky investment. If you already have some equipment make use of it and start small. Learn on small acres so a mistake doesn't bankrupt you. I would rather mess up a 30 acre field and have a loss then make that same mistake on 300 acres and lose everything. If you have no experience in this field you will make mistakes as you learn on the fly. So stay small and build slowly. Get help from anyone you can in your area. The people in your area are going to be better suited to specific questions you have.

I will add this, I bought all of my corn equipment originally with the intent of planting food plots on my ground. Once I had it and learned on small 5 acre plots I expanded my fields as our farm grew.

As for grants, the only thing I know for beginning farmers is just a low interest loan. I have not heard of anyone giving money to young farmers to get started. If your a minority or a woman then yeah, I have heard of grants for starting a business but if your a white male then you just need to fight for everything you want and earn it. I looked into the beginning farmer loans and at the time there was a book of paperwork I had to fill out and that was to buy a farm with no guarantee I would be approved or even get the money if I was approved since it was from the USDA and they only had so much budgeted for loans. Farm Credit is a much easier company to deal with. They have low interest rates and can give you a line of credit to help get started with farming (buying seed, fuel, fertilizer, equipment...). Just run the numbers on everything before you jump feet first. And when you run the numbers dont use the high numbers. If your neighbor tells you they get between 130 and 200 bushels of corn per acre depending on the year use the 130 and forget the 200. If you rely on the high yield number to budget from and have a low year you will lose everything. If you can't make the budget work on the low yield then look elsewhere.

Niche farming has become a great way for small farms to be successful. Find a small niche that needs to be filled in your area and concentrate on it. Be it organic, vegetable, hops, or what ever, just find it and research your options. Just don't rush into anything and remember that equipment breaks down, if its not running it doesn't make you money so you have to be able to afford repairs which isn't easy if your budget is maxed out.

Around here vineyards are king followed by fruit and vegetable fields (pick your own berries, roadside stand, farmers market....), then corn and soybean followed by hay. Most of my ground is better suited for hay then corn or soybeans and I make more money with hay so that helped dictate my operation. My vineyards make me more money per acre then anything else but also require a lot more work and attention. I am constantly learning and will never know everything I need to know but I ask questions and go to local growers meetings to take in as much information as I can.

I wish you the best but I fear the corn market is going to come back down and would not want to see you budget long term on $8 corn only to have it fall back to the $3 range like it was a few years ago.
 
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Robert_in_NY said:
How many acres of good tillable land do you have? How much money do you have budgeted for equipment? What is the average yield in your area for corn and soybeans?

For me in my area I started with a 50 horse tractor, 3 bottom plow and 12' disc and 4 row planter. Everything except the tractor is from the 70's, the tractor I bought new. The equipment is all old, cheap and affordable here. I planted 30 acres of corn with this set up. I sprayed with a 12' sprayer (which is equal to my planter). My first year I hired my harvest and lost money in the end. I then bought a JD 3300 harvester with 2 row head and started doing my own harvesting. When the price was down I was just trying to break even as my main farming was hay and corn was a great way to break down an old field for a couple years to put into new hay. With the prices up these last couple years I do actually make some money but not a lot. I still make more money with small square bales and grapes then I do with corn or soybeans. I use any money from corn to help pay for equipment like a grain drill (International 5100 soybean special), 10' disc for various field conditions, 14' cultimulcher, larger plow for my bigger tractor (that haying paid for).

To buy everything to get started from scratch would be a very risky investment. If you already have some equipment make use of it and start small. Learn on small acres so a mistake doesn't bankrupt you. I would rather mess up a 30 acre field and have a loss then make that same mistake on 300 acres and lose everything. If you have no experience in this field you will make mistakes as you learn on the fly. So stay small and build slowly. Get help from anyone you can in your area. The people in your area are going to be better suited to specific questions you have.

I will add this, I bought all of my corn equipment originally with the intent of planting food plots on my ground. Once I had it and learned on small 5 acre plots I expanded my fields as our farm grew.

As for grants, the only thing I know for beginning farmers is just a low interest loan. I have not heard of anyone giving money to young farmers to get started. If your a minority or a woman then yeah, I have heard of grants for starting a business but if your a white male then you just need to fight for everything you want and earn it. I looked into the beginning farmer loans and at the time there was a book of paperwork I had to fill out and that was to buy a farm with no guarantee I would be approved or even get the money if I was approved since it was from the USDA and they only had so much budgeted for loans. Farm Credit is a much easier company to deal with. They have low interest rates and can give you a line of credit to help get started with farming (buying seed, fuel, fertilizer, equipment...). Just run the numbers on everything before you jump feet first. And when you run the numbers dont use the high numbers. If your neighbor tells you they get between 130 and 200 bushels of corn per acre depending on the year use the 130 and forget the 200. If you rely on the high yield number to budget from and have a low year you will lose everything. If you can't make the budget work on the low yield then look elsewhere.

Niche farming has become a great way for small farms to be successful. Find a small niche that needs to be filled in your area and concentrate on it. Be it organic, vegetable, hops, or what ever, just find it and research your options. Just don't rush into anything and remember that equipment breaks down, if its not running it doesn't make you money so you have to be able to afford repairs which isn't easy if your budget is maxed out.

Around here vineyards are king followed by fruit and vegetable fields (pick your own berries, roadside stand, farmers market....), then corn and soybean followed by hay. Most of my ground is better suited for hay then corn or soybeans and I make more money with hay so that helped dictate my operation. My vineyards make me more money per acre then anything else but also require a lot more work and attention. I am constantly learning and will never know everything I need to know but I ask questions and go to local growers meetings to take in as much information as I can.

I wish you the best but I fear the corn market is going to come back down and would not want to see you budget long term on $8 corn only to have it fall back to the $3 range like it was a few years ago.

Robert, this is the stuff I've been wanting to hear and your input was very knowledgeable. I have 120 acres tillable right now. Not sure what the guy I've been leasing to has been gettin as far as bushels per acre goes and that's somethin ill have to check into. I have a 50 horse loader tractor but she's from 1961 and is currently split in two in my barn gettin some much needed TLC right now.

I messed up talkin about grants. I knew there wasn't just money bein handed out but I also know my local bank won't loan me jack squat because of my age. I have perfect credit history and have payed off 2 vehicles through working hard on a commercial hog operation and various construction work.

Since I was a little kid its just always been my dream to make my living off the land. I can't see me doin anything thing else. It just sucks that I wasn't born into some multi-thousand acre grain operation and had everything handed down to me. But then again, what's the reward in that if you never saw your progression through your hard work.

I guess a good starting point for me is to get a fairly new reliable tractor that doesn't limit me to the amount of work I can do in a day. That way I can continue my restoration of my 504 and use it for whatever loader involved tasks ill need. Decisions, decisions.....
 
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And again Robert, I'd just really like to say thanks. What you typed up there took some time and thought. It means a lot to me that there's still people out there who believe that there's still some good left in this younger generation that I'm unfortunately categorized in.
 

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