GP100 or 1911?

[RoyJackson]

Hey Roy, didn't mean to impugn your 9mm, just not a gun I would choose for a survival situation.

No prob...the caliber is secondary to the shot placement anyway.
I always figured in a survival situation, one would have a rifle as the primary weapon with a handgun as a backup.
If it we an EOTWAWKI situation, I'd have an AR-15 and a couple Glocks. Ammo would be fairly obtainable (depending on what you'd be willing to do to obtain it)

But...we're off topic...

 

[czechsonofagun]

Sorry if this is hijacking your thread Czech,

No problem at all) - I made my choice already and still enjoying the discussion here.

 

[Podunkadunk]

No problem at all) - I made my choice already and still enjoying the discussion here.

Well, in that case....

No prob...the caliber is secondary to the shot placement anyway.
I always figured in a survival situation, one would have a rifle as the primary weapon with a handgun as a backup.
If it we an EOTWAWKI situation, I'd have an AR-15 and a couple Glocks. Ammo would be fairly obtainable (depending on what you'd be willing to do to obtain it).

I agree. Shot placement is an absolute necessity, this point has been argued many, many times. My thoughts on having a 9mm when confronting 8ft tall, 400lb Mr. burglar in my home are clouded by my preconceived notion that all burglars will be amped up on crack or meth and impervious to the smaller 9mm round. I know this notion is bunk, but it's in my head and I can't get past the notion. A well placed shot to the hard-drive or power-supply will bring anyone down, coked up or not! It just may take a little longer. Time is precious (I would assume) in those moments of intrusion/invasion. God forbid it ever happens to me, but if it does...I want .40 cal or larger with JHP's, but that's just MY personal preference.

As for an end of the world as we know it situation, I'm with you RJ. I've been stocking up for years on both ammo and arms. I mean no one any harm, but don't come around here trying to start any trouble...!

A possible problem to my ammo hoarding: Legislation is in the works in many states right now to have ammo manufacturers laser etch all cartridges. That will drive costs up and will render all previously un-etched ammo illegal (felony) . When you go to buy ammo from your local wallymart, they'll run you just like they do for guns and that ammo lot/serial number will follow your name for the entire life of the product. If someone gets hold of some of YOUR ammo and whacks someone...guess who's door they'll come knocking down? This legislation will only hurt law abiding citizens...just like all other gun legislation. Criminals are well...criminals. They won't use etched ammo and if they do, it will be stolen. I'm ranting, I'll shut up.

Podunk

Roy, you're in PA right?

- If you go to the following website (it's liberal) Ammunition Accountability Home, then click on Legislation, you will see this exact same legislation is being pushed in the following states:

2008 Legislation
Arizona:
Arizona House Bill 2833

California:
California Senate Bill 997 (Carried Over from 2007)

Hawaii
Hawaii House Bill 2392
Hawaii Senate Bill 2020
Hawaii Senate Bill 2076
Hawaii House Resolution 82-07 (Carried Over from 2007) Hawaii Concurrent Resolution 104-06 (Carried Over from 2007)

Illinois
Illinois House Bill 4258
Illinois House Bill 4259
Illinois House Bill 4269
Illinois House Bill 4349
Illinois Senate Bill 1095 (Carried Over from 2007)

Indiana
Indiana House Bill 1260

Maryland
Maryland House Bill 517

Mississippi
Mississippi Senate Bill 2286

New York
New York House Bill 6920 (Carried Over from 2007) New York House Bill 7300 (Carried Over from 2007) New York Senate Bill 1177 (Carried Over from 2007) New York Senate Bill 3731 (Carried Over from 2007)

Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania House Bill 2228

Tennessee
Tennessee House Bill 3245
Tennessee Senate Bill 3395

Washington
Washington House Bill 3359

Contact your Congressmen gentlemen...this one's going to be hard to defeat.

 

[JB4310]

I also agree with Roy, one well placed shot is worth more than all the missed shots in the world or for that matter all the extra rounds left in a high cap mag. but that said, at my skill level I do want the extra chances afforded by a high capacity mag.
And I agree with Podunk, 9mm's overpenetrate, so for a military sidearm caliber, that's why I mentioned the horse stopping ability of the .45, the best tissue based target stopper, in a pistol caliber anyway. and no the military is not going to go with an auto mag or a revolver again.

To keep the discussion going, how about a poll, what would your first choice (for a side arm) be if you knew you would be involved in a fire fight, in an urban or battlefield scenario? mine would be my Glock model 22, .40 cal, 15+1 cap.
IMO the .40 is best all around round, a good balance of weight, velocity and capacity.

 

[RoyJackson]

Oh Boy!!! Caliber war!

 

[Podunkadunk]

Roy, I figured that post I made about the legislation would get a rise out of you...what's wrong? Are you sick?

First choice: 1911 .45 if I had one

Second choice: My Glock 22C or my Glock 23 (.40 cal). There's a reason why 65-70%* of LE agencies across the U.S. use it.

*Latest number I could google up...not something I pulled up out of thin air.

Oh and I forgot. The only safety I need is my finger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Podunk

 

[CurlyDave]

Anyone seen half moon clips?

I have only seen pictures of half moon clips.

OTOH, last week I saw some full moon clips "in the flesh" at a local store.

Full moon clips are quite interesting. Faster than a speed loader -- and they didn't seem expensive, but I don't remember the price.

In fact, if I were buying a revolver today, I would rather have the full moon clips than almost anything else. Makes reloading really easy.

 

[Slacker]

Well, the correct answer is "get both!", but if only one is in the cards I'd get the GP100. Why? I've got boatloads of 38spl around the house, plus it'll shoot rat/snake shot for when I'm tromping around on the back 40. .357 mag can be used for deer hunting (legally) in my state, so that's a plus.
You didn't mention if the GP100 had adjustable sights or not. My preference is adjustable, but many prefer fixed.

If I were to get a 1911 I'd likely go with a Springfield Operator or a Colt Combat commander. I think Rock River arms is making a GI clone, parked etc for a decent price.

Personally, if I were to get another 4" bbl .357 it would be another SW 586, blued w/adjustable sights. I'm a S&W fan...can't get enough of them!

 

[RoyJackson]

Roy, I figured that post I made about the legislation would get a rise out of you...what's wrong? Are you sick?

First choice: 1911 .45 if I had one

Second choice: My Glock 22C or my Glock 23 (.40 cal). There's a reason why 65-70%* of LE agencies across the U.S. use it.

*Latest number I could google up...not something I pulled up out of thin air.

Oh and I forgot. The only safety I need is my finger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Podunk

I am quite aware of the microstamping bills. However, TBN frowns on political posts...so I refrained..not that the foolishness doesn't piss me off!!

You don't have a 1911? What's wrong wit' you???
I've got two...
Still prefer my 9mm Glocks for self defense though.

But, I like my revolvers too!

 

[Podunkadunk]

I am quite aware of the microstamping bills. However, TBN frowns on political posts...so I refrained..not that the foolishness doesn't piss me off!!

You don't have a 1911? What's wrong wit' you???
I've got two...
Still prefer my 9mm Glocks for self defense though.

But, I like my revolvers too!

Oops...I really didn't figure it to be "political", only because I didn't call out a specific "red" or "blue" team's players, my bad.

Nah, I don't have a 1911 I know, I know... I need to get with the program. I've wanted one ever since I was in the Military. They were so sweet and fired like a dream! Maybe you'd be kind enough to sell me your least favorite of the two???? Sure would make me ! Let me know, I'll send the check if the price is right!

Podunk