GP100 or 1911?

[Erik_in_Hoyt]

you should love your GP100 - they're great guns.
if you're looking for a decent 1911 to go with it down the road, check out the Taurus pt1911 - it looks GI basic except for the sights, and has a lot of the "custom" features for less than $600.

 

[Sigarms]

if you're looking for a decent 1911 to go with it down the road, check out the Taurus pt1911 - it looks GI basic except for the sights, and has a lot of the "custom" features for less than $600.

I'll second that. I'm old enough that I remember when Taurus had some "quality control issues" in the past, and although I don't own a Taurus now, I've head nothing but good things about that company from people who own them now.

Picked up that Taurus 1911, and I was really impressed with the gun for the money. Even had Heinie sights on it, good weight, and pointed nice. A couple of weeks later, picked up a used Sig GSR 1911 (to look at), and honestly, the Taurus felt better in my hands. Hmmm, my one gun a year purchase is coming up

 

[JB4310]

Any "modern" 1911 is safe to carry in condition one (cocked and locked).

I could be wrong, but I think the one gun with the highest amount of accidental (or negligent) discharges in the LE circles is the Glock. Know why? You need to make sure your finger is off the trigger until you want to punch holes in targets or kill something. For some reason, some people can never grasp that concept. Chances are those people who you heard of who shot parts of their own butts off would do so even if their sidearm wasn't a 1911 single action.

I know, we've all seen the video of the police woman discharging her Glock into the ground next to a guys head by accident (who was on the ground with another cop on his back), and we did have an incident in the next town over where an officer was wounded by another and they blamed it on the Glock, those were a while back, have not heard about any recently. I think they were teaching LE to half load the trigger in shoot or don't shoot situations, can't imagine how else you would "accidentally" discharge a Glock as it has a far heavier trigger pull than any SA.

With the .45, once you have the grip safety off (holding the gun) and the primary safety off, you better be pointing the thing down range, IMO that's the gun you have to keep your finger off the trigger.

I would love to find an early, early 1911 for history sake, maybe one that was carried in WW1. If they can be privately owned or were/still all Govt property.

As far as the moon clip things, my brother had a Ruger 9 mm revolver, my thought on that is, WHY???

 

[Sigarms]

I know, we've all seen the video of the police woman discharging her Glock into the ground next to a guys head by accident (who was on the ground with another cop on his back), and we did have an incident in the next town over where an officer was wounded by another and they blamed it on the Glock, those were a while back, have not heard about

With the .45, once you have the grip safety off (holding the gun) and the primary safety off, you better be pointing the thing down range, IMO that's the gun you have to keep your finger off the trigger

Funny, I never saw the video you mentioned, but I did see the video of the DEA agent instructing school children on firearms safety where he accidently shot himself in the foot with his Glock.

As far as the .45 or ANY other gun, the ONLY time you should EVER have your finger on the trigger is when the firearm is pointing down range or at something you intend to shoot. This rule does not only apply to a single action 1911, but ANY gun, no matter what type of safeties are in place.

That said, apparently those people that you spoke of who shot themselves in their but forgot that rule. Guess my only point is don't blame a single action semi auto for someones ignorance (at least they didn't shoot someone else).

 

[Sigarms]

Funny, I never saw the video you mentioned, but I did see the video of the DEA agent instructing school children on firearms safety where he accidently shot himself in the foot with his Glock.

Speaking of which....

I love when the guy makes the comment that (not word for word) "I'm the only one in this room professional enough to carry this Glock 40".

YouTube - DEA Agent Accidently shoots himself in the foot

I do however like when he "rebounds" and tells the students "you see how accidents can happen?".

 

[JB4310]

That video is interesting even after showing the gun to another person to prove it was safe, apparently the mag had at least one round in it, which should have been obvious to even a novice. the amazing thing is how calm ALL the people (some of them small children) in the room stayed, they must be pretty desensitized, it was kinda funny how they all got nervous about that guy handling the long gun and didn't trust that he might fire off another round.

I don't know the particulars of the guys who injured themselves, so I don't know if they had their finger on the trigger or not, I'm not blaming the gun for the users mistake, all I'm saying is it takes a higher degree of skill, confidence and attention to carry cocked and locked as opposed to a DA.

I've got an interesting 1911 clone, only it's chambered for 9 mm, has a decocking lever and was carried by the Germans in WW2, anyone know what it is? With all those clues it should be easy to figure out.

Sorry if this is hijacking your thread Czech,

 

[RoyJackson]

Sweet piece Roy (SP 101)! Is it slick (hammerless) or not? It's a hand-cannon...I really like Rugers in general...got a Ruger Blackhawk .357...smooth and easy to operate (wife friendly)!

Podunk

I got the exposed hammer model. I like being able to shoot single or double action. Just a personal preference.

This one will be carried in an OWB holster, most likely (I also got an IWB holster for it though).

As far as the moon clip things, my brother had a Ruger 9 mm revolver, my thought on that is, WHY???

I'm a big 9mm fan. 9mm is a pretty stout round, really. It's also physically smaller then a .38 Spl round and works quite well for a smaller revolver (I'm talking concealed carry weapons here).


BTW, I saw that clip about the DEA Agent quite a while back. He may have safetied his weapon (ejecting the magazine), but left one in the chamber. What an idiot....
I was really boiling when he started off with that comment about being the only one "professional" enough to handle a firearm.

 

[JB4310]

I'm a big 9mm fan. 9mm is a pretty stout round, really. It's also physically smaller then a .38 Spl round and works quite well for a smaller revolver (I'm talking concealed carry weapons here).


BTW, I saw that clip about the DEA Agent quite a while back. He may have safetied his weapon (ejecting the magazine), but left one in the chamber. What an idiot....
I was really boiling when he started off with that comment about being the only one "professional" enough to handle a firearm.

Hey Roy, didn't mean to impugn your 9mm, just not a gun I would choose for a survival situation.

Looking at that video again, he locks the slide open and shows it to someone else out of view, when he comes back the slide is locked open, he releases the slide then must have pulled the trigger to discharge it, he obviously had a loaded mag in it. I still can't believe how calm the people in the room stayed, if that room was filled with recruits there would have been more reaction.

kinda reminds me of an incident I was involved in when at the range, there were some class 3 guys there and offered us novices a chance to try the full autos, they had British guns, I think they are Stens that fire from an open bolt, well I didn't get the concept and thought the gun was in a safe mode with the bolt open, even though it had a loaded mag in it, subsequently I was not handling the weapon with the respect of a loaded and ready to fire gun, well there was no accidental discharge but I did get a stern reprimand.

I was looking for a link to the video I referred to but found this, which is pretty remarkable if it's true and not some anti gun propaganda, shows how inherently dangerous loaded guns can be even in a professionals hands, we all think it couldn't happen to us.

Link

Link doesn't work, you have to copy and paste it to a Google search.

MikePA: Corrected link

 

[Soundguy]

I always found that I could fingernail the outter edge of the extractor groove using full or half moon clips.. or if that failed.. a dowel rod thru the front of the cyl.. Only ever shot guns with moon clips on the range. never have carried a revolver..

soundguy

I had some Soundguy, to me (and this is just my opinion), they were worse than the fulls. On the full clip I could get at least get some leverage to pry out the round, but on the half moon clips, I couldn't hardly get my fingers in there to remove the spent cartridge (thus, the needlenose pliers when I was shooting the thing). Aggravating is what they were. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the weapon. I just didn't like the moon clips...either half or full. I also want to mention, I did find some old regular style .45 ammo once and it has the thicker case head. It worked like a champ, but it just wasn't readily available since ACP's dominate the .45 world and drive the market.

Podunk

 

[Soundguy]

Lotsa fast guns fire from an open bolt.

My M11-9MM does.

Soundguy

kinda reminds me of an incident I was involved in when at the range, there were some class 3 guys there and offered us novices a chance to try the full autos, they had British guns, I think they are Stens that fire from an open bolt, well I didn't get the concept and thought the gun was in a safe mode with the bolt open, even though it had a loaded mag in it, subsequently I was not handling the weapon with the respect of a loaded and ready to fire gun, well there was no accidental discharge but I did get a stern reprimand.

I was looking for a link to the video I referred to but found this, which is pretty remarkable if it's true and not some anti gun propaganda, shows how inherently dangerous loaded guns can be even in a professionals hands, we all think it couldn't happen to us.


Link

Link doesn't work, you have to copy and paste it to a Google search.

MikePA: Corrected link