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Egon
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Been out at the lake playing Roadbuilder with the toy tractor for a few days. The cry of the wild made for some enjoyable evenings!
Getting back I noticed nothing new or of interest on Global Warming; just some Blah which I'm adding to!:dance1:
Getting back I noticed nothing new or of interest on Global Warming; just some Blah which I'm adding to!:dance1:
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Same here, weather is better here than in the midwest, calling for high 70's this weekend for a change. Crops are doing better here than anywhere else in the US.
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Just messing with you Tollster, you sir are entitled to your views same as everyone else, and I sure respect you standing on your principles. We don't have to agree to be on the same side.
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AFP: Arctic cap on course for record melt: US scientists
By Shaun Tandon (AFP) 17 hours ago
WASHINGTON The Arctic ice cap is melting at a startlingly rapid rate and may shrink to its smallest-ever level within weeks as the planet's temperatures rise, US scientists said Tuesday.
Researchers at the University of Colorado at Boulder said that the summer ice in the Arctic was already nearing its lowest level recorded, even though the summer melt season is not yet over.
"The numbers are coming in and we are looking at them with a sense of amazement," said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the university.
"If the melt were to just suddenly stop today, we would be at the third lowest in the satellite record. We've still got another two weeks of melt to go, so I think we're very likely to set a new record," he told AFP.
The previous record was set in 2007 when the ice cap shrunk to 4.25 million square kilometers (1.64 million square miles), stunning scientists who had not forecast such a drastic melt so soon.
The Colorado-based center said that one potential factor could be an Arctic cyclone earlier this month. However, Serreze played down the effects of the cyclone and said that this year's melt was all the more remarkable because of the lack of special weather factors seen in 2007.
Serreze said that the extensive melt was in line with the effects of global warming, with the ice being hit by a double whammy of rising temperatures in the atmosphere and warmer oceans.
"The ice now is so thin in the spring just because of the general pattern of warming that large parts of the pack ice just can't survive the summer melt season anymore," he said.
Russia's Roshydromet environmental agency also reported earlier this month that the Arctic melt was reaching record levels. Several studies have predicted that the cap in the summer could melt completely in coming decades.
The thaw in the Arctic is rapidly transforming the geopolitics of the region, with the long forbidding ocean looking more attractive to the shipping and energy industries.
Five nations surround the Arctic Ocean -- Russia, which has about half of the coastline, along with Canada, Denmark, Norway and the United States -- but the route could see a growing number of commercial players.
The first ship from China -- the Xuelong, or Snow Dragon -- recently sailed from the Pacific to the Atlantic via the Arctic Ocean, cutting the distance by more than 40 percent.
Egill Thor Nielsson, an Icelandic scientist who participated in the expedition, said last week in Reykjavik that he expected China to be increasingly interested in the route as it was relatively easy to sail.
But the rapid melt affects local people's lifestyles and scientists warn of serious consequences for the rest of the planet. The Arctic ice cap serves a vital function by reflecting light and hence keeping the earth cool.
Serreze said it was possible that the rapid melt was a factor in severe storms witnessed in recent years in the United States and elsewhere as it changed the nature of the planet's temperature gradients.
The planet has charted a slew of record temperatures in recent years. In the continental United States, July was the hottest ever recorded with temperatures 3.3 degrees Fahrenheit (1.8 Celsius) higher than the average in the 20th century, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Most scientists believe that carbon emissions from industry cause global warming. Efforts to control the gases have encountered resistance in a number of countries, with some lawmakers in the United States questioning the science.
By Shaun Tandon (AFP) 17 hours ago
WASHINGTON The Arctic ice cap is melting at a startlingly rapid rate and may shrink to its smallest-ever level within weeks as the planet's temperatures rise, US scientists said Tuesday.
Researchers at the University of Colorado at Boulder said that the summer ice in the Arctic was already nearing its lowest level recorded, even though the summer melt season is not yet over.
"The numbers are coming in and we are looking at them with a sense of amazement," said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the university.
"If the melt were to just suddenly stop today, we would be at the third lowest in the satellite record. We've still got another two weeks of melt to go, so I think we're very likely to set a new record," he told AFP.
The previous record was set in 2007 when the ice cap shrunk to 4.25 million square kilometers (1.64 million square miles), stunning scientists who had not forecast such a drastic melt so soon.
The Colorado-based center said that one potential factor could be an Arctic cyclone earlier this month. However, Serreze played down the effects of the cyclone and said that this year's melt was all the more remarkable because of the lack of special weather factors seen in 2007.
Serreze said that the extensive melt was in line with the effects of global warming, with the ice being hit by a double whammy of rising temperatures in the atmosphere and warmer oceans.
"The ice now is so thin in the spring just because of the general pattern of warming that large parts of the pack ice just can't survive the summer melt season anymore," he said.
Russia's Roshydromet environmental agency also reported earlier this month that the Arctic melt was reaching record levels. Several studies have predicted that the cap in the summer could melt completely in coming decades.
The thaw in the Arctic is rapidly transforming the geopolitics of the region, with the long forbidding ocean looking more attractive to the shipping and energy industries.
Five nations surround the Arctic Ocean -- Russia, which has about half of the coastline, along with Canada, Denmark, Norway and the United States -- but the route could see a growing number of commercial players.
The first ship from China -- the Xuelong, or Snow Dragon -- recently sailed from the Pacific to the Atlantic via the Arctic Ocean, cutting the distance by more than 40 percent.
Egill Thor Nielsson, an Icelandic scientist who participated in the expedition, said last week in Reykjavik that he expected China to be increasingly interested in the route as it was relatively easy to sail.
But the rapid melt affects local people's lifestyles and scientists warn of serious consequences for the rest of the planet. The Arctic ice cap serves a vital function by reflecting light and hence keeping the earth cool.
Serreze said it was possible that the rapid melt was a factor in severe storms witnessed in recent years in the United States and elsewhere as it changed the nature of the planet's temperature gradients.
The planet has charted a slew of record temperatures in recent years. In the continental United States, July was the hottest ever recorded with temperatures 3.3 degrees Fahrenheit (1.8 Celsius) higher than the average in the 20th century, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Most scientists believe that carbon emissions from industry cause global warming. Efforts to control the gases have encountered resistance in a number of countries, with some lawmakers in the United States questioning the science.
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I saw this in various forms this week...CO2 release levels decreasing?
Carbon dioxide surprise sees decreased levels being released - Philly.com
Carbon dioxide surprise sees decreased levels being released - Philly.com
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What about the record cold and snowfall in Alaska and all of Europe this past fall and winter? That doesn't count? Just the record highs for North America for a certain period. 
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What!? It happened by free enterprise instead of socialist pandering and interference? Without Obama and his merry band of eco ****'s? How could it be so said the Grinch that tried to steal capitalism!
Me? I'm worried about Global Cooling. Let those engines idle overnight!
Antarctic peninsula was 1.3°C warmer than today 11,000 years ago
Antarctic peninsula was 1.3°C warmer than today 11,000 years ago | Watts Up With That?
Antarctic peninsula was 1.3°C warmer than today 11,000 years ago
Antarctic peninsula was 1.3°C warmer than today 11,000 years ago | Watts Up With That?
Me? I'm worried about Global Cooling. Let those engines idle overnight!
Antarctic peninsula was 1.3ï½°C warmer than today 11,000 years ago
Antarctic peninsula was 1.3°C warmer than today 11,000 years ago | Watts Up With That?
Antarctic peninsula was 1.3ï½°C warmer than today 11,000 years ago
Antarctic peninsula was 1.3°C warmer than today 11,000 years ago | Watts Up With That?
Dustier
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Henh. That's funny. It was actually a green house effect due to an asteroid impact. The dinosaurs melted away. Surely grammar school or at least middle school should have taught that.
EE_Bota
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But when should they have taught that? Not all of us are young pups.
Chicxulub crater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I hope I missed something and you aren't referring to the event of 11000 years ago. Because if you are that sure explains a lot strange things you've said!
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While following the hurricane tracking this week, I started to look at all the models. Each model built from different scientific communities and all think THEY are correct. The track you see is a composite of many models. I just wonder how many global weather change models there are and just how big the cone of uncertainty really is, and who built the models and why. This topic is not touched on and I suspect the models are all over the place or there is just one, and from hurricane models we see there is gigantic difference within the science of something very simple as hurricane tracking compared to predicting global climate change.
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I always thought greenies is what ya spit out when ya have the flu.......
Somewhat the same in anycase, they are all slimey
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Meteorologists Adjust Official Stance: Human Activity Causing Climate Change
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Updating their official stance on the relationship between climate change and weather events, the American Meteorological Society (AMS), has now stated plainly that the warming world is a fact beyond reproach and that human activity妖espite some natural variability擁s the main force behind such changes.
"Warming of the climate system now is unequivocal," the group said in a statement on Monday. "Observations show increases in globally averaged air and ocean temperatures, as well as widespread melting of snow and ice and rising globally averaged sea level."
The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities, they said, adding that their scientific finding is based on "a large and persuasive body of research."
"Due to natural variability," the statement noted, "not every year is warmer than the preceding year globally. Nevertheless, all of the 10 warmest years in the global temperature records up to 2011 have occurred since 1997, with 2005 and 2010 being the warmest two years in more than a century of global records."
2012 AMS Information Statement on Climate Change
excerpt:
Updating their official stance on the relationship between climate change and weather events, the American Meteorological Society (AMS), has now stated plainly that the warming world is a fact beyond reproach and that human activity妖espite some natural variability擁s the main force behind such changes.
"Warming of the climate system now is unequivocal," the group said in a statement on Monday. "Observations show increases in globally averaged air and ocean temperatures, as well as widespread melting of snow and ice and rising globally averaged sea level."
The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities, they said, adding that their scientific finding is based on "a large and persuasive body of research."
"Due to natural variability," the statement noted, "not every year is warmer than the preceding year globally. Nevertheless, all of the 10 warmest years in the global temperature records up to 2011 have occurred since 1997, with 2005 and 2010 being the warmest two years in more than a century of global records."
2012 AMS Information Statement on Climate Change
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FYI..."persuasiveness" is directly proportional to ones gullibility...especially when incomplete and inconclusive data is the basis for being persuaded/misguided....
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