Global Warming?

[BTDT]

I suspect none of you have ever been published in any peer-reviewed journals like Nature or Science or the International Journal of Modern Physics.

You suspect wrongly. You will find some surprising people here on TBN.

I have published in peer-reviewed journals, and I have 20 US Patents.

I design and build spacecraft for a living, including solar observation spacecraft.

And, I know better than to denigrate the accomlishments of others on this forum. I learn a lot of very practical things here.

Well said. I admire anyone who does what they do well, with enthusiasm. Sometimes it's best to read and not respond if you don't agree. How's the saying go--"It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

 

[SkyPup]

I think the Global Warming has to do with the center of the Earth be composed of billions and billions of tons of high temperature liquid iron. There has got to be a way to cool that all down, maybe tap into it and use volcanoes?

 

[Egon]

Any project of that Magnitude will require a name!

I suggest:

"Tapping The Ring Of Fire"

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[SkyPup]

BURN BURN BURN - The Ring of Fire.....

How about diverting seawater from the oceans into the center of the Earth and then using all the steam for power generation and the distilled water for potable water and irrigating the deserts for agriculture?

 

[Egon]

Johny Cash:

As I understand it in some places vertical wells are being employed to enable the use of heat pumps.

 

[Doc_Bob]

I learn a lot of very practical things here.

I agree.
Bob

 

[CRJCaptain]

From post #60, CRJCaptain



Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem you have bought into the Man Caused Global Warming theory and think action should be taken to minimize or arrest the damage being caused.

Is that right? If so, I would like to ask a question.

When will you be looking for a different line of work (I assume you are a pilot), i.e., one that is a little more environmentally friendly? It would seem one's convictions would dictate that.

No, I haven't bought into any theories yet...I don't think anyone has the answers as to what the impact will be long term. Some scientists who study the issue from a global carbon budget angle actually speculate that there is a carbon "sink", or an as yet unidentified mechanism by which the CO2 is being removed from the atmosphere. The ocean is one possible candidate for this sink.

Carbon cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, I am a pilot. I will continue to be one until people stop buying tickets or the airline that employs me ceases operation. Seeing whereas I currently work for an airline that is bankrupt, this could happen at any time!

 

[cp1969]

Good luck. I lost my job in the great airline bankrupcty of '91 that took down Pan Am, Midway, Braniff and Eastern.

 

[CRJCaptain]

I suspect none of you have ever been published in any peer-reviewed journals like Nature or Science or the International Journal of Modern Physics.

You suspect wrongly. You will find some surprising people here on TBN.

I have published in peer-reviewed journals, and I have 20 US Patents.

I design and build spacecraft for a living, including solar observation spacecraft.

And, I know better than to denigrate the accomlishments of others on this forum. I learn a lot of very practical things here.

I guess the intent of my original post was lost, and perhaps not well written...My point was not to call into question the collective intelligence of the TBN community, nor to denigrate anyone...I find a lot of knowledgable folks on TBN and hang out here for that reason. I was trying to express that the whole global warming issue tends to get clouded in emotion and politics, and that if I am going to be persuaded by any argument, I prefer a reference to a peer reviewed journal versus a quote by someone in talk radio or politics.

Having a solid grounding in science yourself, you can surely understand my preference for an unbiased and skeptical scientific method...

Cheers

 

[Ken_CT]

I don't understand why they call it "global" warming. The earth is flat.

 

[Chuck52]

I apologise for the tone of my earlier, sarcastic posting on this subject. My response was due more to the tone of various other posts ridiculing Al Gore, a good man whom I see as sincere in his beliefs and in his attempts to address a real problem we all face, than as an intentional demeaning of anyone's ability to understand this very complex subject of global warming.

The National Academy of Science recently released a summary of the current research on global warming. I am not presently a member of the NAS, and I doubt I'll make it any time soon , though I do know one current member and another guy who may be elected to membership in the near future. In general, I tend to trust the judgement of this group on matters of science. Are they always right? Is anyone? Anyway, if you would care to read their thoughts on the subject, the link is below. It's a PDF file, so it takes a while to download. The article addresses many of the points made in earlier posts in what seems to me a reasonable manner. The recommendations for possible actions are assessed in "cost effective" terms.

http://dels.nas.edu/basc/Climate-HIGH.pdf

Chuck

 

[SkyPup]

Science 10 November 2006:
Vol. 314. no. 5801, pp. 910 - 911
DOI: 10.1126/science.314.5801.910

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ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCE:
Global Warming May Be Homing In on Atlantic Hurricanes

"The idea that increased hurricane activity might be connected to global warming first blew in with Katrina and her cohorts of the horrendous 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. Then two studies reported a striking increase in the number of intense storms around the world. And that increase was suspiciously in step with the warming of tropical waters whose heat fuels tropical cyclones (also called hurricanes or typhoons). But skeptics wondered: Should anyone trust the patchwork records of tropical cyclones compiled over the past century? And couldn't the surge in storms be part of a natural cycle?"

"Where the standard records from the northern Indian Ocean, the southern Indian Ocean, the western North Pacific, and the South Pacific showed rising trends of intensity, the reanalysis showed modest declines or no trend at all. And 85% of the world's tropical cyclones occur in these ocean basins. Outside the Atlantic storms show no signs of intensifying as the underlying waters warm, at least in the past 23 years.


FLIP-FLOP......maybe a couple hundred years of more study needed???

 

[Chuck52]

Well, we should certainly know in 200 years . With luck we'll all get back to the forum in December 2206 and laugh about all the discussion concerning the obvious! Hind sight is marvelous. I hope we all can see our own hinds at times. On a serious note: It's called research because you keep going back to the same objects of study hoping to improve on your knowledge. It ain't no fun atall if you get it right the first time every time!

Chuck

 

[1948berg]

Maybe there is something true in the global warming theory?
http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/pondusarkiv/serve.php?1165186800

 

[tallyho8]

Maybe there is something true in the global warming theory?
http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/pondusarkiv/serve.php?1165186800

Sorry, but I'm not up to date on my Norwegian translations. Could you translate this for us?

 

[N80]

For the record, I too have been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal (totally unrelated to global warming). That fact does not make me anymore qualified to discuss global warming than any of the other tractor owners here. But, suffice it to say that any large group of internet participants such as this will hold a surprising variety of intellects and achievements. Assuming otherwise can be embarrassing.

But as mentioned, being in a peer reviewed journal does not make anything factual. It only makes it accepted. And if that group of peers has a vested interest in 'proving something' a great deal of the value of peer review is lost. Groups that want to prove man-influenced global warming do more studies regarding global warming and they publish data that proves the point that they want to be proven. When the studies do not fit their agenda, they do not publish them. It is a form of selection bias. This is not intended to demean the value of such publications, its just to point out that these realities must be considered when forming an opinion. And that digging deeper is very very important if you want to get closer to the 'truth' in such matters.

 

[EddieWalker]

I apologise for the tone of my earlier, sarcastic posting on this subject. My response was due more to the tone of various other posts ridiculing Al Gore, a good man whom I see as sincere in his beliefs and in his attempts to address a real problem we all face, than as an intentional demeaning of anyone's ability to understand this very complex subject of global warming. Chuck

Chuck,

Since I was the person who brought up Mr. Gore, I wanted to say that it wasn't to insult you or those who think he is a good man. I'm of the oposite opinion, but I have no hatred for him. I voted for him and had high hopes for what he would do. Unfortunatey, in my opinion, he is a hypocryte that seems to be at the forefront of global warming in his warnings and predictions, but doesn't do anything himself to stop these dire prediction that he supports.

If you believe that something is bad, you stop doing it. If you can make money on it, you tell everyone else to stop doing it, but keep doing it yourself. If your a politician, you do nothing about it while in office, than complain to everyone else that your replacement isn't doing anything about it. There are plenty of people on both sides of this who say one thing and do another, I just chose the most public one for my example.

As for being published, I've only been in hunting magazines and periodicals. Nothing scientific. I also don't have an education and probably wouldn't score very high on any IQ test. I'm just a working guy with a simple life that enjoys discussing different topics here that I find interesting.

Eddie

 

[SkyPup]

Science 10 November 2006:
Vol. 314. no. 5801, pp. 910 - 911
DOI: 10.1126/science.314.5801.910

Science/AAAS | Science Magazine: Sign In

ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCE:
Global Warming May Be Homing In on Atlantic Hurricanes

"The idea that increased hurricane activity might be connected to global warming first blew in with Katrina and her cohorts of the horrendous 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. Then two studies reported a striking increase in the number of intense storms around the world. And that increase was suspiciously in step with the warming of tropical waters whose heat fuels tropical cyclones (also called hurricanes or typhoons). But skeptics wondered: Should anyone trust the patchwork records of tropical cyclones compiled over the past century? And couldn't the surge in storms be part of a natural cycle?"

"Where the standard records from the northern Indian Ocean, the southern Indian Ocean, the western North Pacific, and the South Pacific showed rising trends of intensity, the reanalysis showed modest declines or no trend at all. And 85% of the world's tropical cyclones occur in these ocean basins. Outside the Atlantic storms show no signs of intensifying as the underlying waters warm, at least in the past 23 years.


FLIP-FLOP......maybe a couple hundred years of more study needed???

"For most of the world's tropical cyclones, existing records should not be trusted."

"The study showed that records of the intensity of most storms around the world have been skewed, producing the impression that tropical cyclones have been getting stronger globally."


Somewhere, someone, sometime thought that politicans pay any attention to scientists?

They do if they are on their payroll......

 

[Chuck52]

For the record, I too have been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal (totally unrelated to global warming). That fact does not make me anymore qualified to discuss global warming than any of the other tractor owners here. But, suffice it to say that any large group of internet participants such as this will hold a surprising variety of intellects and achievements. Assuming otherwise can be embarrassing.

But as mentioned, being in a peer reviewed journal does not make anything factual. It only makes it accepted. And if that group of peers has a vested interest in 'proving something' a great deal of the value of peer review is lost. Groups that want to prove man-influenced global warming do more studies regarding global warming and they publish data that proves the point that they want to be proven. When the studies do not fit their agenda, they do not publish them. It is a form of selection bias. This is not intended to demean the value of such publications, its just to point out that these realities must be considered when forming an opinion. And that digging deeper is very very important if you want to get closer to the 'truth' in such matters.

Very good points, and one reason I find the NAS review of the science behind global warming valuable is that the NAS consists of members from all branches of science. If they have a vested interest in a particular view, it's difficult for me to see how it would benefit their membership. As I mentioned, that review also addresses at least some of the data which seems to refute the concept, though I am sure not to a degree which will satisfy all readers. Again, I think it is worth noting that possible remedies are discussed with attention to their economic feasability. We're not going to give up our automobiles. It just isn't going to happen, short of an immediate disaster. Make them more energy efficient? Sure, why not? Use more nuclear power to replace coal-fired plants? Got my vote. We can deal with the nuclear waste easier than the polutants from fossil fuels. Of course I don't want the waste in my back yard!

Chuck

 

[YanmarFever]

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace ALARMED
(( and hence clamorous to be led to safety))
By menacing it with endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary

H.L. Mencken

fuel shortages - Y2k - Benladin - global warming ect....

The sheeple will follow every time