Global Warming?

[Egon]

Folks keep on talking about living off of the Grid!

What all does the Grid supply so those folks can live off the Grid!

 

[Rob-D]

Modern Humans under environmental pressure evolved over millennia. Basically evolution selects for "what works", whatever is more successful at surviving the extant environment. If eating veggies only or meat only was more likely to have been higher in survival value then that trait would have been selected for naturally and we would be born a carnivore or a herbivore. We aren't. We are omnivores. It is natures way. To do otherwise for any reason except life threatening food allergies is to go against nature.

Eating only red or yellow colored food, eating only food that is a fruit and not eating the plant itself (green beans-OK Asparagus or celery-nope) , eating eggs but not chickens, drinking cow's milk but not eating the cow, and on and on are artificial strictures placed on diet and not naturally acquired. Often unnatural dietary practices are cult based, OK religion make you feel better?

All through grade school I got fish on Friday so as to not antagonize Roman Catholics while the Jews got no consideration. (We had no Muslims) Ham is a wide spread Easter tradition, some sort of backlash, no doubt.

Nutritionally speaking, a natural diet rich in lesser processed foods that supplies whole grains, vegetables, meat in moderation and so forth IS a naturalistic diet and in the vast majority of cases is the best choice. It should come as no surprise that eating what your body is literally designed to eat is a good thing.

Food fads or avoiding foods or food groups because of some religious conviction, cult belief, or unwarranted feelings of dietary supremacy through extremism are not criminal acts unless forced on your children then child endangerment might come to play.

For the most part food faddists are essentially harmless unless you let their continual prattling about their supposed but non existent philosophical superiority elevate your blood pressure. There are exceptions like Susan Sarandon and other denizens of Holyweird who want animals declared sentient beings and therefore illegal to harm or to eat. They need to undergo a psych exam and get treatment.

We are what we are and got this way by a rather difficult series of tests and challenges which honed us to flourish as omnivores.

Of course there are excepttions like blue food. Blue food is just the best. Anyone eating blue food exclusively is certainly a superior being.

Hopefully humankind can and will adapt somehow to whatever climatic changes may occur. Will blue food eaters have an edge?

Pat

I hope you're not implying that vegetarianism is a "fad". People have been vegetarians for millenniums.

I'm always amazed at people, that's you, who are so sure that their lifestyle and diet are unequaled even though they have never experienced any other lifestyle or diet for any length of time.

How does that work? Apparently it makes people happy to stick their heads in the sand. I know people raised from birth in a specific religion, have no experience or knowledge of other religions, yet they are 100% sure that their religion is the only path to God.

Certitude it's a wonderful illusion.


Rob

 

[powerpace]

Pigs:

They require a lot of water which may not be available in arid regions. They can also carry Trichinosous which isn't good for humans. Makes them undesirable in hot arid places.

Pigs have excellent sanitary habits!:thumbsup:


Now how about Goats?? They can compete with humans on the veggie bit! So why are they not considered not Clean??


Less meat, less egg, less dairy would have meant hard times for many of the people of the past.

Consider food as fuel and physical movement as burning fuel. Any imbalance between the two lead to overweight or starvation!

Pigs do have good sanitary habits if given the opportunity. Problems is they don't herd well. Too much labor trying to put them where you want them. Plus they do need a lot of water. Pigs are subject to many of the same ailments humans suffer. Sunburn, arthritis, pneumonia, skin diseases, eye problems etc....
Goats will eat any little vegetation available. Goats in the Middle East are herded on virtual wasteland. Lot's of rocks and not much else. They herd easily and don't need as much water and relatively disease free.

 

[Egon]

Pigs will also eat sparse vegetation.

Pigs are easily trained.

 

[Short Game]

Goats in the Middle East are herded on virtual wasteland.

Many of those places became wasteland after a few generations of goats. Now I have had goats and think very highly of them as people. But, in many parts of the world, they were a basic environmental disaster, as bigger herds equated with political power to a few, and some vast areas were grazed and browsed into submission and desertification. Other ruminants have similar records in other areas.

 

[powerpace]

Many of those places became wasteland after a few generations of goats. Now I have had goats and think very highly of them as people. But, in many parts of the world, they were a basic environmental disaster, as bigger herds equated with political power to a few, and some vast areas were grazed and browsed into submission and desertification. Other ruminants have similar records in other areas.

yep...

 

[Mace Canute]

Goats...pigs...they both can be destructive animals when they run feral in areas they are not native to.

Wild Pigs & Goats Destroy Native Hawaiian Forests

 

[newbury]

All this discussion of pigs and where's Eddie & Oscar?

Desertification by goats may be an excellent example of Man's modification of the environment to his detriment due to the tragedy of the commons.

A common resource, grazing land, was overused and resulted in the collapse of the ecosystem.

Just as our fisheries are today.

 

[EE_Bota]

Evolution doesn't care about vegetarian diets or meat diets. Evolution cares about propagating genes. If a pregnant woman in hard times has a strange craving to eat earth worms, that would be a fine thing.

Evolution does not care if older folks have heart attacks...that event must be manifested as a positive or negative for those reproducing, or those growing to reproduction age. For you heart attack to matter to evolution, you must matter to a younger generation.

 

[Rob-D]

Many of those places became wasteland after a few generations of goats. Now I have had goats and think very highly of them as people. But, in many parts of the world, they were a basic environmental disaster, as bigger herds equated with political power to a few, and some vast areas were grazed and browsed into submission and desertification. Other ruminants have similar records in other areas.

Sheep too, they strip the land, cattle don't. The famous sheep / cattle wars.

Rob

 

[Rob-D]

For you heart attack to matter to evolution, you must matter to a younger generation.

Evolution is a process of development from a simple to a complex organism. Evolution is science, science doesn't weight whether things matter.

Does it matter to science that gravity exists? No.

Rob

 

[Short Game]

There have been some fragile environments that cattle have ruined too.

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The "tragedy of the commons" is a tragedy of greed and ignorance. That tragedy is viewed differently by those who see their fellows as basically bad than by those who see them as basically good. Experience tells me that there are greedy people who will manage their private holdings equally as badly as if it were still part of the commons.

The privatization of the commons has not served a greater good. It has only divided what once was the commons amongst the haves, and locked out the have-nots. The haves are the ones who see the wisdom of themselves having it all. The others simply don't understand what the haves see so clearly. But it's okay, because within a generation or two, the rest of us have little memory of what once was. Our ignorance is not an accident. Soon it will be time to reopen the debtor's prisons. This National Park brought to you by the Walt Disney Corporation.

 

[EE_Bota]

Evolution is a process of development from a simple to a complex organism. Evolution is science, science doesn't weight whether things matter.

Does it matter to science that gravity exists? No.

Rob

I was trying to say things in a more fun way. We can go dry, and we can go more thorough if you like.

Evolution is not necessarily a process of development from simple to complex. Evolution is a theory of science, not science itself.
It does matter to science if gravity exists because many other theories are based on the existence of gravity, and all known scientists rely on existence of gravity.

 

[powerpace]

State of the Climate Summary Information | March 2012

March Ranked as 16th Warmest for Planet | Weather Extremes & Global Temperatures | LiveScience

The extent of the Arctic's sea ice during March was 3.4 percent below average, ranking as the ninth lowest sea-ice extent for March since satellite records began in 1979. At the opposite pole, the Antarctic saw sea-ice extent that was 16 percent above average, ranking as the fourth largest in extent for March in the 34-year period of records.

 

[Rob-D]

I was trying to say things in a more fun way. We can go dry, and we can go more thorough if you like.

Evolution is not necessarily a process of development from simple to complex. Evolution is a theory of science, not science itself.
It does matter to science if gravity exists because many other theories are based on the existence of gravity, and all known scientists rely on existence of gravity.

You missed my analogy, science doesn't care if gravity exists, science doesn't care if anything exists because science can't care! The definition of science is "to know".

Nothing "matters" to science, things matter to people.

Giving science human characteristics is anthropomorphic.

Evolution is a process from simple to complex.

evolution - definition of evolution by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

evｷoｷluｷtion (v-lshn, v-)
n.
1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form.

A theory of science is science, that's why it's called a scientific theory!

Did you have your cup of coffee today? I know you're a smart guy, what's going on here?

Rob

 

[crash325]

On July 8, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard crashed on a sheep-and-cattle ranch outside Roswell, an incident they say has been covered up by the military.
March 31, 1948, nine months after that day, Al Gore was born.

That clears up a lot of things.

 

[Rob-D]

On July 8, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard crashed on a sheep-and-cattle ranch outside Roswell, an incident they say has been covered up by the military.
March 31, 1948, nine months after that day, Al Gore was born.

That clears up a lot of things.

I agree, Al Gore was sent here to help fix our ailing planet!

Rob

 

[rsewill]

I agree, Al Gore was sent here to help fix our ailing planet!

Rob

But those aliens couldn't possibly realize how many people like a fouled planet.

 

[Short Game]

Fracking causes earthquakes, studies confirm - Technology & Science - CBC News

 

[Rob-D]

But those aliens couldn't possibly realize how many people like a fouled planet.

They're not concerned about that, they figure if they help us fix this place we won't attack them in an attempt to overtake and mess up their planet at some future date.