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   / Generic DPF filter delete. #41  
If Kioti employs competent software engineers, the control system will recognize that back pressure isn’t increasing during operation as it should be as soot accumulates in the DPF.

Lack of a signal from the back pressure sensor would lead to the generation of a fault code, and eventually put the engine in limp home mode.

Not sure of the competency of their software engineers or calibrator, though.

Lack of this software would be a serious problem if the EPA or Carb discovers it, and would lead to penalties and emissions recalls.

Several automotive and truck dealerships and repair shops have been fined and have signed consent decrees over removing emission control equipment. The crackdown started in Ernest last October when several “tuners” were effectively put out of business. Most Heavy duty truck dealerships will not work on a truck that has been tampered with. It’s only a matter of time before the message gets to it Tractor dealers.

You need to leave the Balance sensor in place so that it does send a signal. Someone wrote that the ECU will sense that the sensor signal is not changing and will send it into limp mode. That is not true. My tractor went for well over 200 hours without doing a regeneration cycle. That is probably because I never let my tractor run below 2000 for any amount of time and normally it runs at 2500 the rest of the time as I use it mostly for mowing. It wasn't until the #2 fuel injector started spewing 50% more fuel that I began having any issues with my regeneration system and that was around the 430 hour mark on my tractor.
 
   / Generic DPF filter delete. #42  
You need to leave the Balance sensor in place so that it does send a signal. Someone wrote that the ECU will sense that the sensor signal is not changing and will send it into limp mode. That is not true. My tractor went for well over 200 hours without doing a regeneration cycle. That is probably because I never let my tractor run below 2000 for any amount of time and normally it runs at 2500 the rest of the time as I use it mostly for mowing. It wasn't until the #2 fuel injector started spewing 50% more fuel that I began having any issues with my regeneration system and that was around the 430 hour mark on my tractor.

Again, I don’t claim to know if Kioti engineers are competent, and my expertise is with other manufacturers and control systems, but the control system should recognize if the sensor is flatlined with time and enter limp home mode.

That’s how OBD II systems work, ie self diagnosis. Not sure non road vehicles are required to have OBD in place yet, though.

If not, and the systems are easy to bypass with impunity , eventually the rules will tighten up.
 
   / Generic DPF filter delete. #43  
To answer your question, YES it does when Kioti refuses to pay in full the warranty costs of fixing a tractor that is under warranty and it costs the customer over $1500.00 to have his tractor fixed for failed emissions. I have the bills to prove this. The posts are up on this forum of my issues with Kioti.

I fully understand your reasoning for delete. What I don't understand is the need to delete a perfectly functioning system.
 
   / Generic DPF filter delete. #44  
I fully understand your reasoning for delete. What I don't understand is the need to delete a perfectly functioning system.

Without those systems, you can idle all the time you want/need, you can run at whatever RPMs you want/need, just to mention a few reasons.

Plus, you won't burn so much fuel due to the regens or just high RPMs to keep the thing happy.

I hate seeing, in the videos, the operators starting the engine and immediately slam the throttle all the way to the max just to do some light duty task or move the tractor a little bit back and forward. The engine just screams and burns extra fuel for no reason.

These emissions systems are also more problematic in cold weathers as it's hard to get it into its happy temperatures.
 
   / Generic DPF filter delete. #45  
Without those systems, you can idle all the time you want/need, you can run at whatever RPMs you want/need, just to mention a few reasons.

Plus, you won't burn so much fuel due to the regens or just high RPMs to keep the thing happy.

I hate seeing, in the videos, the operators starting the engine and immediately slam the throttle all the way to the max just to do some light duty task or move the tractor a little bit back and forward. The engine just screams and burns extra fuel for no reason.

These emissions systems are also more problematic in cold weathers as it's hard to get it into its happy temperatures.

When I went to purchase a new tractor last year, I was terrified of the new Tier IV engines. Now at 275 hours on my NX, I am not as concerned. Would I like to go back to pre Tier IV, absolutely. But after the first year, I have not seen a real issue with the system. I don't idle any less than I used to with my 2003 Kubota. I let the engine warm up at around 1500 rpm. Once I get going, I generally stay at 2000 rpm or more. Regens occur at maybe every 30 hours or so. Usually they occur when I am in the middle of something, so no big deal. Only once did I have to park and let it do its thing for 20 minutes. Living in Canada, with temps regularly minus 20 or colder, it does take some time to warm up the engine to operating temperatures, but it doesn't seem to affect the time between regens. Having said that, I am almost always out for more than a hour at a time. If you are out for short bursts, that might make a difference. I do hope that before the DPF packs in that there will be an EASY way to bypass. That's what I like about this forum. There are always smart people that find answers and share with the community. PTSG, I do agree with you that people think they have to always have the engine pegged to avoid any problems. Don't overthink this Tier IV thing in my opinion. I do feel for those that are having problems with their system, but I am thinking it is a small percentage?? Thanks to all for sharing their experiences.
 
   / Generic DPF filter delete. #46  
to put clarity to my post, my tractor is an HST transmission so i don't operate it at an idle because of the mountainous terrain. The hydraulics are more responsive at 2000 RPM's (I think that goes with any piece of machinery Ive ran). I run a snow-blower here in the winter with temps as low as -20F so another reason not to idle. I can let my machine warm up in a non heated shop without a cloud of smoke. The L4060 is quieter than the previous L2501 I had. I have had 2 regens in 130 hours, each without issue. My fuel usage per hour is .6 gallons an hour this winter with the snow blower. Why would I commit to the cost and labor of a delete? That is my reasoning.
 
   / Generic DPF filter delete. #47  
That pressure differential switch is the primary control that tells the ECU to do a regeneration cycle I'm surprised to hear that we can run our tractors without it plugged in without the ECU timing out and kicking into limp-mode. Either way, the DPF would eventually plug up limiting power to the point where the tractor wouldn't make power. That said, with the plasma table expected to come in next April, my Tinker-Time will be spent trying to learn the software and immediately making some of the upgrades I hand made for my tractor like the steering cylinder guards, the skid-plate out of heavier material, a insert for the brush guard that works with the headlights, and some other stuff before I turn my attention toward a DPF delete kit.

That said, since it is winter right now, one thing I do suggest to anybody who runs their tractor in lower than freezing temperatures and is experiencing frequent regenerations cycles as a result of their tractor never warming up, is to swap out their thermostat for a warmer T-stat. Running too cold and having regeneration cycle problems was a real problem for the first few years of Tier IV engines and their field repair in fleets was to pop in warmer T-stats. In our case with the NX tractors (and l suspect any Kioti tractors that take the same part number T-stat as our NX tractors) a Stant 48808 is a drop-in replacement. Do not worry that the bypass is a little longer and stronger than stock as the T-stat works great even in high 90 degree temps here in Minnesota. Don't reuse the existing stock T-stat gasket, it'll leak even with RTV, so make a new one or get a new one.

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I致e had my plasma table for over 10 years...takes quite awhile to figure everything out, the artwork, the Dfx conversions, cut paths, pierce heights, cut speeds, etc. But boy is it nice to make anything you can think of in metal.

Ive used mine for so many projects over the years. My expensive toy to say the least.
 
   / Generic DPF filter delete.
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I致e had my plasma table for over 10 years...takes quite awhile to figure everything out, the artwork, the Dfx conversions, cut paths, pierce heights, cut speeds, etc. But boy is it nice to make anything you can think of in metal.

Ive used mine for so many projects over the years. My expensive toy to say the least.

LOL, speaking of toys, I just stumbled on an International H90 payloader with a DT466 engine for cheap. I'm going to go look at it on Friday.
 
   / Generic DPF filter delete. #49  
Taking about emissions deletes, especially for an on road vehicle, on a public forum is asking for EPA trouble. Don't do that to yourself or the forum.
 

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