gear vs. hydro for pulling tiller

[WilliamBos]

Hi,

You cant really compare the IVT ( Infinitaly Variable transmission ) with a hydro. Way too many differences. Also, geared tractors will be around for years to come. The cost less to build, and sell for less, which mean more sales. Have you ever Proced a new IVT tractor? ( Fendt Vario, MF Dynastep, JD IVT, etc... ) They are not cheap when compared to a geard tractor!!

Take care

Will

 

[RoyJackson]

My 790 does 0.7 MPH in 1st Low.

I've never ran a tiller with this tractor. How slow does one have to go, anyway?

 

[eee]

<font color="blue"> </font><font color="blue" class="small">( hydro will give you problems in the future, )</font> </font>

Is there proof of that ???? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[755inNY]

Will,

Me thinks you don't know what you are talking about. Just a bunch of broad generalities that are not based in fact. You don't have to search these forums too hard to find guys with hydros that are working them hard in all kinds of conditions. Big dozers and excavators are hydro now.

Welcome to the 21st century.

Jeff

 

[Dargo]

roughcut, I have to say that I'm with you on that question. I'd venture to go as far as flat out disagree with his statement. As far as for pulling a tiller, a hydro has proven much better for me. My tiller was too big to run in my hard clay soil even in the lowest gear in low range. However, with a slightly lower hp hydro tractor, I was able to do the tilling no problem. I could run much slower when needed without constantly slipping the clutch. In this situation, you will definitely have a problem with the gear tractor long before a hydro because it requires constant slipping of the clutch to keep from killing the engine.

 

[JerryG]

Either one will tear up. The gears main problem will be the clutch unless it is a power shift or a power shuttle. The hydro is more complicated and has many, many more parts that are soft parts. Sometime or another these will have to be replaced. How long? Good question. It is hard to say, because most compacts with hydros only get used a 100 hours or less a year. The vast majority of the hours are easy work hours. If you are not going to be putting the tractor under extreme use for hours on end, then get which ever one that you are the most comfortable with.

 

[DK35vince]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My 790 does 0.7 MPH in 1st Low.

I've never ran a tiller with this tractor. How slow does one have to go, anyway? )</font>

They work just fine at that speed Roy.
And as far as needing to slip the clutch to run the tiller, I never have !!

 

[Dargo]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blueclass=small">

And as far as needing to slip the clutch to run the tiller, I never have !!
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You have obviously never tried to use a 72" tiller with your 35hp tractor then! It can be done with a hydro, creeping along. With hard clay, forget it with 35hp and gears. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[DK35vince]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You have obviously never tried to use a 72" tiller with your 35hp tractor then! It can be done with a hydro, creeping along. With hard clay, forget it with 35hp and gears. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif )</font>

Nope,
I'm still running a 5' tiller (because I already owned it). The same 5' tiller I ran for years on my 26 HP (22 PTO HP) John Deere 850. Never slipped the clutch to run it on that machine either..

 

[Bob_Skurka]

For using a tiller, I strongly prefer a HYDRO over a GEAR. I've done it both ways, but even in lowest gear I found I was riding the clutch too often on a gear machine.

 

[_RaT_]

What?

 

[JerryG]

<font color="blue">You have obviously never tried to use a 72" tiller with your 35hp tractor then! It can be done with a hydro, creeping along. With hard clay, forget it with 35hp and gears.</font>
My lowest gear is .23 mph. I can't see how that would be to fast?

 

[GerardC]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What? )</font>

Are you /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif ? G

 

[MossRoad]

<font color="blue">How many hydros were there when our FOREFATHERS plowed the fields? </font>

None. They didn't have tractors. They were lucky to have a horse, mule or ox. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[WilliamBos]

Hi,

I do know what I a talking about. Dozers have been hydro for years, didnt just hapen last week. Also, you cant compare an IVT to a hydro. But on that note, someone I know had a JDtractor with IVT, good for loader work, and transport, but for fieldwork like running a discvbine, not suited for this at all. This type of work is where gear/SS/powershift shines, and always will.

I will not own a hydro for serious work. ( plowing, discing, tilling, etc. ) Because in my opinion, they cant cut it. Especially in a compact tractor. the powerloss throught the hydro is too much in my opinon, whereas with a gear it is not as bad!!

 

[_RaT_]

I was wondering the same thing. I suppose anyone before my father could be a "forefather" but generally think of the folks that came here from Europe etc as forefathers. I should think an OX or horse would have been quite the ticket. Out here in Kalifornia I would say it was my fathers generation that was getting equipped with tractors.

 

[_RaT_]

I suppose what I do is not serious work but I do rip and disc with my L3830 hydrostatic drive tractor and it does both exceptionally well. It may not cut it but it sure rips it.

 

[_RaT_]

You've got a nice setup Jerry. I don't know if all compacts can have creepers installed.

 

[eee]

I have 1400 hundred hours on my JD 4400 so far and I flat out work the heck out of it,and I have had no hydro problems yet.
I have pulled so much that I wore out the part on my axle housing where the lower lift arms are attatched to. I had to replace both axle housings this summer,the hydro has not done anything but work for me.
I can go from forward to reverse all day and mash the pedal as hard as I can...

 

[eee]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> I will not own a hydro for serious work. ( plowing, discing, tilling, etc. ) Because in my opinion, they cant cut it. Especially in a compact tractor </font> )</font>

But a hydro holds up in a dozer ???