Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences

/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #21  
I think that is because that diesel here in the south is seldom used for "heating oil". The fact that it is used more in the northern states is probably the reason for higher cost. Supply and demand?

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jim
 
/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #22  
Taxes?

I think Georgia is one of the cheapest states to buy fuel. I notice this everytime I drive to Florida. There is a truck stop, a BP if I remember right, that is just north of the GA/FL border. I noticed its ALWAYS packed with trucks filling up before heading into FL. The price difference in GA is much lower than in FL.

I think the difference is how much that the state taxes fuels.

Just my guess....

Later...
Dan McCarty
 
/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #23  
All the 2 cylinder Johnny Poppers here in Arkansas had a 1 gal tank for gasoline and the other we used a fuel called "distilate", it had a greenish tint to it and was nearer to gasoline than kerosene. You started the tractor on gasoline and after it was warmed up you turned a valve on the dash and it shut of the gas and turned on the fuel. if it wasn't warmed up enough and you put a load on the engine it would pop and die.

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jim
 
/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #24  
My dad worked for the gas company, and they had distribution gas lines from many gas wells. Distillate was a natural condensation from the high pressure gas in those lines. It had to be drained, and was something like a natural gasoline or something. We always had distillate around the house for use as paint thinner and solvent. My dad's cousin worked for either Conoco or Sun, I don't remember which, and he would run his new Chevy on distillate. I don't remember any real problems except the exhaust manifold would get red hot. Can't say his car had a long life, though.
Bob
 
/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #25  
Bob, that sounds like what I used to hear about "drip gas" that folks supposedly stole from pipelines. I don't remember much about it, but heard it mentioned a lot when I was a kid living in the Oklahoma oil fields.

Bird
 
/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #26  
Bird, the summer of 1957, I was 15 y/o and I spent a summer with a farmer and his family out in the oklahoma panhandle near Elkhart Kansas. There was a lot of gas well out there. There were tanks under ground in the pipilines for condensation and the farmer would hook a hose to the outlet valve, open her up and the pressure wold force the condensed gas into his tank, They called the stuff "casing head gas". you could tel when someone was running it in their vehicle. It would smell terrible because of the sulpher and other impurities. when you went to shut off the engine it would just keep running "dieseling". you had to put it in high gear and lug the motor down untill it stoped running. Nasty stuff.

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/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #27  
Same stuff, Jim; just never heard the term "casing head gas", it was just always referred to as "drip gas" by folks I knew in southern Oklahoma.

Bird
 
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/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #29  
Know this is an older thread, but am a new member, and have something to add. My dad bought a '51 International TD9 ('bout this size of a Cat D4.5, not that it exists) last summer so he'd have a tractor too, my brother and I 'own' the 2 rubber tired tractors./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

The old beast starts on gasoline, then switches over to diesel after warmed up. There is a chamber in the head over each cylinder where the spark plugs are and an extra valve in the head going to that chamber. To start, you open those valves which also must allow the intake to draw gas from the carb, and shut off the diesel throttle. She starts real easy, no problem at all. During the summer you only need to let her set for a 10-15 seconds, winters 10-15 minutes. Then slowly open the diesel throttle until you see some black smoke, then in one quick motion close that extra chamber valve handle, add more diesel, she bellars a bit and off she goes. They recommend doing the reverse at shutdown to aid in restart, but she doesn't seem to care. They did this for the obvious cold weather starting, but also the older electric starter systems just couldn't handle diesel compression. These system were quite common and still in use in many older road graders, Gallion and such. IH sold the engine as a powerplant in various heavy equipment much the same as cat (and 'bota) do today.

Some of the old pony motors also shared cooling systems with the big engine.

Ain't powerful starters, block heaters (long as you have electricity) and glow plugs a wonderful invention?

Nick

Farmer kid usetabe, Farmer Wannabe
 
/ Gas, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel Differences #30  
MDNick, Ditto. I have started the old TD9 many times. The WD5 also used the same engine, just smaller. TD=track diesel. WD= wheel diesel. I worked for a farmer in the oklahoma panhandle in 57. He had a WD5. We pulled bedders in a circular pattern around the fields to keep the sand from blowing in the unplanted fields in the winter months.

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Gas, Kerosene, Diesel-Why change oil?

Why Change Crankcase Oil?

Motor oil must perform two primary functions. It must lubricate the engine and serve as a collector
of contamination.
Therefore, regular oil changes are necessary to remove oil degradation products
and oil contamination products, to minimize engine wear and deposit formation and to prevent
premature engine failure.

Oil degradation refers to destructive changes that happen to the motor oil itself. These changes
include oxidation, nitration and additive depletion.

Oxidation of the motor oil takes place in all types of engines. High temperatures, constant mixing
with blowby products and air, and particles from engine wear make an engine lubrication system a
very reactive environment that can promote oxidation. Very simply, oxidation results from the
mixing of motor oils with air at high temperatures. It has a number of effects on the motor oil. The
most apparent is thickening (viscosity increase). Oxidation also breaks down the motor oil itself and
will lead to the formation of varnish and deposits.

Nitration also occurs within internal combustion engines. It starts in the combustion chamber where
nitrogen oxides (NOx) are formed. These gases will react with the motor oil and can also cause a
thickening effect.

Additive depletion means that the additives which are used in motor oil have lost their effectiveness
and can no longer perform as intended. For example, when oxidation inhibitors are depleted, motor
oil oxidation becomes uncontrollable. When dispersant additives have suspended their limit of
contaminants, any additional contaminants will settle from the motor oil to form deposits with the
engine.

The other limiting factor to the useful life of motor oil is oil contamination. These contaminants
include combustion blowby products, liquid fuel and solid particles.

Combustion blowby products include fuel soots, fuel resins, water and unburned fuel. These
products can cause oil thickening, form deposits and corrode engine parts. They work down past the
piston into the crankcase and are generally the result of "dirty combustion". An engine used in
typical city driving with a lot of short trip, stop and go driving, seldom has a chance to warm up
thoroughly and usually operates at its lowest efficiency. The cold cylinder walls act as condensers
for the fuel soot, fuel resins, water and unburned fuels which then work their way past the pistons
into the crankcase oil. After the engine has been run long enough to become thoroughly warmed up,
it is then operating at its best efficiency which means clean combustion and minimum contamination
with combustion blowby.

Fuel dilution is the direct result of partially burned or liquid fuel entering the crankcase from piston
ring blowby or fuel system leakage. It is the result of cold starts, stop and go driving, over-rich
mixtures and dripping injector nozzles. High amounts of fuel dilution can cause a loss of oil
viscosity (thinning), a reduction of the oil film that protects bearings and pistons form rapid wear,
varnish formation, lubricant deterioration and engine deposits.

Solid particles found in motor oils would include dirt and airborne dust, engine wear metals and fuel
soot. Dirt and wear metals can be abrasive and cause wear if allowed to become excessive. Soot can
thicken the oil and reduce adequate oil flow.

As you can see, the crankcase lubricant is a collector of contaminants and must perform under harsh
conditions. Today's high quality motor oils will provide the required performance and protection.
However, if they are not changed at regular intervals, they can become overburdened with
contamination and lose their ability to lubricate. Therefore, regular oil changes are necessary to
remove oil degradation products and oil contaminants in order to minimize engine wear, deposit
formation and to prevent premature engine failure.

Oil change intervals, as well as other vehicle maintenance items should be followed as found in the
owner's manual for the type of service involved. Keep in mind that the majority of people drive
under what is considered severe service at least part of the time. Therefore, oil and filter change
intervals should be performed as found under the severe service recommendation, or according to the
oil change indicator on vehicles so equipped.

The benefits of regular oil changes and maintenance are less engine wear and deposit formation is
minimized. This relates to lower maintenance costs improved fuel economy and better engine
performance. The net overall result is longer engine life.
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