Forest Fires

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Hayman fire in Colorado now regarded to be the worst in Colorado's history....potentially one of the most devastating in the nation's history if Colorado doesn't see rain soon. See attached link. And this is just the beginning of the fire season....worst will come in July and August.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E23447%257E673452%257E,00.html>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E23447%257E673452%257E,00.html</A>

The men and women fighting these fires are heros fighting an enemy that has little regard for life or property. Unfortunately, it didn't have to be this way.

TBNer Jim Youtz wrote an excellent article which he posted in "HOW WET IS IT" discussion thread. Remedy solution he cites would go a long way to minimizing these forest fires.
 
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I was perusing through the fire pictures yesterday and came on this and was reminded of all the wildlife and thier habitat being lost. Colorado is great elk country.Packing up</font color=red>

I hope they catch the firestarter.
 
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I think at least one of the big Colorado fires was started by an underground coal vein that has been smoldering for years. People always seem to assume that the catastrophic forest fires are human caused. At least half of the big fires we have here in Washington state are caused by lightning. When Smokey said "only YOU can prevent forest fires", I think he really meant "only GOD can prevent forest fires" I think Colorado right now is at the mercy of Mother Nature.
 
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Fire is about 7 miles away from the house now. Really spooky at night looking out at the glowing embers stretching all the way across the hozion. Slurry bombers/helos are going by at my altitude (C-130s, P2V Neptunes, DC-7, B-24, P3 Orions, Sea King and Sky crane helos + Beech Baron spotter planes).

Currently winds are 5-10 mph out of the east. More men and equipment are arriving daily. The fire does not seemed to have spread much over the last 2 days, but that is just shear luck. The winds haven't been very high during that time. The forest is so dry that even the trees have a very low moisture content. I'll have to remember this when I try and get a green log to burn during the winter. The fire is so hot at times that it causes the tree sap to boil inside the tree before the fire ever reaches the tree.

We are on standy evacuation. We have been that we since Monday. Our escape route still looks very clear.

Get those houshold inventories done now!! Include date of purchase, item description, and purchase price.
Get an evacuation list started now. Have 1 list for 15 minutes evacuation, 1 list for 1 hour evacuation, and 1 list for 1 day evacuation. Read up on your insurance policies to see what a total loss would do to you financially. Don't wait for somehting like this to spur you to adjust your policy. My understanding is that insurance companies are not taking new customers (understandable) and not allowing policy changes to current customers.

Got to go find a safe place for Zeus.

Certainly, there are many folks much worse off than we are at the moment.



These firefighters are doing everyting that they can, but we really need rain without a gust front or lightning!!!
 
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<font color=blue>"Get those houshold inventories done now!! Include date of purchase, item description, and purchase price.
Get an evacuation list started now. Have 1 list for 15 minutes evacuation, 1 list for 1 hour evacuation, and 1 list for 1 day evacuation. Read up on your insurance policies to see what a total loss would do to you financially. Don't wait for somehting like this to spur you to adjust your policy. My understanding is that insurance companies are not taking new customers (understandable) and not allowing policy changes to current customers."</font color=blue>

Great advice. I'll add a couple things here. Keep that inventory OFF SITE. Take pictures and store them one place and the negatives another. Additionally, take negatives of all those irreplaceable pictures and put them in a safe deposit box somewhere. If you don't have the negatives, either have some made (it can now be done) or make duplicates of those photos and put those away). If you can afford it, put them in a fireproof box inside a safe deposit box at your bank (takes a larger safe deposit box). When it's all said and done, those are the things you can't replace. All of the other things money will cover.

Good luck to you and all your neighbors. Keep us posted, please.
 
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My thoughts and prayers are with you RockyMnt1 and with those of your neighbors. I lived in Utah for 3 years. While I never saw the front lines fellow classmates who were in my forestry program did. I still remember the stories they would tell. This is a real dangerous enemy....can change direction at a moment's notice and overwhelm one even when you think you're out of harm's way.

Stay well, stay safe, take no chances and keep us posted if you can.

Regards,
Bob Ancar
Cambridge, NY
 
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Attached link is today's (6/15/02) update on the Hayman fire...things getting a bit better but not out of the woods yet.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://apnews.excite.com/article/20020615/D7K5G2201.html>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20020615/D7K5G2201.html</A>
 
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Today the winds are calm and the visibility is good (15 miles). The fire lines seem to be smoldering rather than raging. There are still hotspots along the fire flank, but these seem fairly localized. Last night I saw much less evidence of tree crowning/flaring. The fire seemed to be advancing slowly along the ground. Afternoon t-storms (complete with hail) have been forming over the fire area so that has helped increase the moisture content slightly. The lightning in these storms doesn't help.

There is a chance of strong winds in the next few days. That should be the real test. It is very likely that those winds will whip the fire up again, but at least now the resources are already in place to deal with it.

The following Website offers great info concerning the fire in Teller Co (Southern end of the fire):

http://www.co.teller.co.us/

http://www.9News.com offers more Denver related info on the fire.

Thanks much for your thoughts and prayers. They are greatly appreciated. More later when I know it.

Still on standby evacuation status.
 
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have you heard the news that the fire was started by a forest service employee?? according to what i heard on the news, they had admitted to it, and were burning some personal papers, while they were suppose to be out in camp grounds etc enforcing the state burn ban?? sure hope this turns out to be another newsmedia foul up..
heehaw
 
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<font color=blue>heard the news that the fire was started by a forest service employee</font color=blue>

Just read that in The Dallas Morning News a few minutes ago.
 
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Unfortunately, no media foul-up here. Regrettably, it turns out US forest service technician set the fire. See attached news story. So sad....one person is estranged from her husband and, while maybe not intentionally, starts largest forest fire in Colorado history destroying tens of thousands of acres and dreams of hundreds of people.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyKey=84979&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=6/17/2002>http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyKey=84979&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=6/17/2002</A>
 
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Incredible footage of that crash. C130's don't normally "fold" like that.

Must be a structural defect or huge G loadings in the dive?

Scary stuff.
 
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The first time I saw the footage, I thought the plane had gotten too low and hit a tree. The next time it looked like the wings had just blown off. Fuel leak, maybe?

SHF
 
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Missionary Ridge fire now #1 priority in the nation....could surpass Hayman fire as potentially most devastating. If rain doesn't come soon in the west, this may be the most catastrophic fire season this country has ever seen. These types of fires come in July and August...hardly ever this early in June.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E23447%257E682327,00.html>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E23447%257E682327,00.html</A>
 
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Definitely looks like a structural failure. The fire was from the fuel in the wing tanks.

The goss around on the Airdisaster.com forums seems to agrees with that.

Cheers
 
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The report last night indicated this aircraft had work (welding to fix stress fractures?) done on the wings in the recent past.
 
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RockyMtn1....are you OK?
 
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The house still stands adn Zeus is safe as of 2200 last night!!!

We were evacuated Monday afternoon. We had about 3 hours to get out and we were on standby anyway. Currently, the fire is 3 miles north of the house. The forest service is attempting to construct a fire line to the north of us with the help of bulldozers from an Army Combat Engineer Battalion. A dozer line is also being constructed to the west of us. So it is pretty much of a 2 front battle. The fire advance has not been as great as predicted because: 1) a successful backfire burn, 2) .45" of rain, 3) cooler temps (in the 60-70s during the day), and higher humidity (not the 4% humidity of the last few days). This fire is still not controlled by any means at this point. It really doesn't matter which way the winds blows, someone is going to get hammered. This fire needs to get controlled before the next wind blast arrives. Houses were lost as late as last night, so there are folks that are really hurting right now. There is also a large fire near South Park that will be sucking resources from this fire.

Rersources are getting really extended. Campus police from the local community college were manning roadblocks!! The good news is that there have been no deaths and few injuries to police/firefighters and civilians. These firefighters/police are just incredable. They are working 18+ hours/day for 14 straight days in very hazardous environments to save/protect houses for people that they don't even know. Of course, there will always be the few loudmouths that don't even recognize that effort.

Sorry to make a charity pitch in this forum, but according to the list at the Red Cross shelter, police and firefighters are running short of flashlights and long distance calling cards, if anyone would care to help out. Just contact your local Red Cross chapter for details.

Having just been through the standby evacuation drill, I thought that I
might pass on some lessons learned.

- Pack tax return files.

- Pack all financial files (including all insurance policies)

- Take still/videos of the whole house (inside and outside). Shoot
inside cupboards.

- Pack house plans

- Create/update household inventories. Include date purchased, item
description, purchase price.

- Check out your insurance limits. Consider insurance changes early.
The insurance companies slap a moratorium on this sort of thing early.
Let your insurance company know what is happening now. Don't start
racking up what you consider insurance expenses until you check with
your company. Different companies start the reimbursement clock at
different times. Find out from you policies the insurance limits,
deductibles, and any exclusions. That will help drive what to evacuate.

- Make those serious choices now about what is important. It will
surprise what what choices that you make. Don't dwell on the decisions.
Make the choice and move on. If you are considering getting a self
storage unit, get it early. They go fast.

- Move above items to a safe off site location

- Clear a defensible space around the house. That beautiful tree that
you adore will be a matchstick shortly anyway.

- Gather your phone lists and email addresses in 1 spot. Put these in
the car that you are going to take and leave them there.

- Gather all of your keys and put them in the car and leave them there.
Try to have multple keys for vehicles.

- Have a backpack with clothes, money, long distance calling cards,
credit cards, and bathroom articles. Carry this backpack with
EVERYWHERE. You never know when you might be separated. Put this in the
car and keep it there.

- Put your name, address, and contact information on your front door,
so that firefighters know who to contact to let you know your house is
OK.

- Remove gas, propane, paint, flammables from your house and put them
outside in clear view. This is to protect the firefighters from
explosions.

- Start reducing your freezer load now. Power will likely be shut off
(again to protect the firefighters). This means that your phone machine
will not work, so don't expect to check on your house by calling you
answering machine.

- In my case, the phone still worked with the power shut off.

- Move furniture away from the walls to the center of the room.

- Unplug everything.

- Put wet towels around sliding glass doors.

- Pack a cooler for food/ice. Have utensiles, salt, pepper, plates,
bowls, etc.

- Make arrangements for alternate pet care early. Get heart worm shots
for the pets if needed. Your pets will be very stressed because they can
smell the smoke. It really helps if the pets can be with you rather than
in some strange cage with strange dogs.

- Emergency shelters have phones, water, food, rest rooms and manned by
VOLUNTEERS 24/7. There are infrared pictures of the fire as well as
forest service maps depicting the fire fronts. There are TVs, games for
the kids, cots, EMTs at the shelter. There are also 30 minute long
distance calling cards provided. Everything at the shelter is free.
Remember this the next time an opportunity to contribute comes along. They
are also the origin of many false rumors. Take what you hear there with
a grain of salt unless it is from an official source. There are many
offers of help at the emergency shelters. The shelters are where the
daily briefings by the forest service occur. These guys have been very
upfront with the information.

- You must realize that this situation is very fluid. What might be
true at 1 moment may no longer be valid. If the firefighter's time is
spent providing information, then they aren't fighting the fire. Which
would you rather that they do??

- You must be patient and maintain the standby evacuation posture. I
was in that mode for a week before being evacuated. The tendency was to
relax the vigil and get sloppy with the organization.

- Communication with the outside world will be very difficult. Have a
prearranged single contact that can forward information to others. Email
access is spotty. There was no internet access at the emergency
shelters.

- Boredom followed by short periods of extreme activity is the norm
after you have been evacuated. Hurry up and wait is often heard.
Patience and flexibility are the words of the day.

Hope this helps.
 
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Excellent post RM. It reminds me review our evacuation procedures, not for fire danger, but because we live in hurricane territory!

We'll pray for you, your family, neighbors and those fine civil servants that are so diligently helping protect you!
 

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