Ford 1500 Fuel injection Pump, timing or other isue?

   / Ford 1500 Fuel injection Pump, timing or other isue?
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#11  
Well Timing marks may NOT be the issue on the pump gear. As it can rotate to 3 different locations and you can actually scribe a new timing mark on the the pump gear and coupling
(per manual) if it does not match up to original marks.

So the best guess now.. is the problem could be with the SD1800 model Hydraulic pump that was installed, on my SD1840 tractor, because it has a different plunger assembly.
So I am going to have the Original pump looked at more closely at an Injector shop.. then hopefully re-installing and re-do the Spill Timing will remedy the problem?
 
   / Ford 1500 Fuel injection Pump, timing or other isue? #12  
I think I'd be checking the injectors while you're checking things. If it's putting out blue smoke it could mean that they were not set right. Also if the engine has been rebuilt and doesn't have the correct compression it can blow blue smoke as well. As for the engine dying, is there a fuel lift pump on there somewhere that may be bad? Pump timing shouldn't be that much of a problem unless it's way off. On one tractor it somehow slipped about 6 or 7 degrees retarded and I really couldn't tell a whole lot of difference. Actually now it's running at 8 degrees advanced (on purpose with some engineering) and the only difference is that it idles real loose sounding. I would lean towards something maybe with the injectors since using another pump does nearly the same thing. You can get an injector tester from amazon that works pretty good instead of paying someone $$$ to test the injectors. Just be careful of the fuel that comes out - it is under extreme presure!
 
   / Ford 1500 Fuel injection Pump, timing or other isue?
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#13  
I think I'd be checking the injectors while you're checking things. If it's putting out blue smoke it could mean that they were not set right. Also if the engine has been rebuilt and doesn't have the correct compression it can blow blue smoke as well. As for the engine dying, is there a fuel lift pump on there somewhere that may be bad? Pump timing shouldn't be that much of a problem unless it's way off. On one tractor it somehow slipped about 6 or 7 degrees retarded and I really couldn't tell a whole lot of difference. Actually now it's running at 8 degrees advanced (on purpose with some engineering) and the only difference is that it idles real loose sounding. I would lean towards something maybe with the injectors since using another pump does nearly the same thing. You can get an injector tester from amazon that works pretty good instead of paying someone $$$ to test the injectors. Just be careful of the fuel that comes out - it is under extreme presure!

Thanks for any and all suggestions, turns out I finally SOLVED the issue. Turns out the previous owner mechanic either did did not install the original pump correctly (OR, I found a vapor hose, where there should have been a fuel injection hose?) after rebuilding engine.
So they ordered a rebuilt or "used" pump thinking the original was defective. They did NOT install 2nd Fuel Injection Pump correctly.

I decided to reinstall the original pump (4 wheel drive and 2 wheel drive tractors have slightly different plunger assemblies in pump, it is unknown whether this will cause significant issues)

The tricky part NOT INCLUDED in the service manual on the Ford 1500 (Shibaura SD1840) is that the pump shaft will "spin" down when you remove the pump.
When reinstalling, (assuming you followed the manual and previously set gears at valve timing marks and then rotated engine counter clockwise to "Pump timing" marks correctly) there is a small indentation in pump gear coupling (Hub) You have to use a screwdriver in this indentation and rotate the coupling (Hub) counterclockwise, to line up the factory marks on gear & coupling at about 12 oclock. You have to rotate SLOW to find the small flat spot, otherwise it will "spin" back down. Once you find that small flat spot it will stay and you can tighten the gear bolts in the slotted gear.
I also had to re adjust the governor adjustment bolt on top of pump, as the previous owner & mechanic must have tried adjusting in their mis-diagnosis of problem; before they attempted to replace this pump.
Rick at Seattle Injector service helped me out with some good advice with this pump, took a quick look at it, operating the cam, looking at the piston spring action (Under Side cover) and told me the original pump appeared A-OK and he was right. (We did not hook up to machine or calibrate which would have cost $200-$300)
GOOD NEWS is that this tractor now runs great! No longer blows blue smoke either. Hope this helps someone in future.. let me know..
looks like I have an extra Fuel Injection pump for sale.. off of a Shibaura SD1800 (2 wheel drive) It MIGHT work on a Ford 1500 or Shibaura SD1840 <4 wheel drive> as well?
 
   / Ford 1500 Fuel injection Pump, timing or other isue? #14  
Wow that sounds quite complicated. Glad you got it working though!
 
   / Ford 1500 Fuel injection Pump, timing or other isue?
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#15  
This picture was incorrect timing, I just wanted to show the "slot" (arrow pointing to) used to rotate the coupling (hub) (Which is a step NOT contained in the factory manual) to the correct position when re installing pump and setting pump timing.
HTC ONE 9-18-2016 4167_LI.jpg
 
   / Ford 1500 Fuel injection Pump, timing or other isue? #16  
Did you ever get this figured out? I am in a similar situation and curious to know the outcome of yours.
 
   / Ford 1500 Fuel injection Pump, timing or other isue? #17  
Tmblor,

wow, what a nice write up. I just got to see the this thread. You have done well, I could have offered a few tid bits but you got them all and then some. I will have to re-read again or remember your thread. My tractor runs great and I do all the maintenance to the best of my ability to avoid issues like that. My suggestion is that you put fresh new oil in your injector pump after all the great work you have done. It take 2 oz of your engine oil and you do have drain and level plug on your injector pump. I am sure you have put witness mark where needed. There are 3 nuts on injector gears that help with injector timing. I hope you left witness mark for future reference. I have put a witness mark on my pump and timing cover for future reference but avoided dorking with it as it works quite well. Like you found out, the key to a good prognosis is always good diagnosis. Thanks for the good write up.
JC,
 

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