Fleetguard Filters - extended drain intervals

[thatguy]

I just figured out that my JD 2320 and my wifes 2009 Subaru Forester can use the same Fleetguard (cummins) oil filter (LF 3692) .. I am running Amsoil in my wifes car and shooting for at least +10k mileage intervals (after taking a UOA at 7500 miles)..

I have been running Fleetguard filters on my Dodge/Cummins since it was new and its about time to reorder stock for it.. So I was trying to buy everything I need from one source at the same time.. Due to low usage, neither the truck or tractor is running synthetic oil (extended oil changes)

Any opinions on the use of the Fleetguard filter for extended oil changes on the subaru? How would it compare to Mobil 1, Wix, Donaldson, or the subaru OEM.. How would it compare the the OEM deere filter?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.. You dont see many ppl comparing Fleetguard filters on the web.

Brian

 

[Shimon]

Fleetguard filters are excellent quality filters. Are you asking if you can use the Fleetguard for more miles between oil changes because it's a better quality filter?

I say no. It's still going to get dirty just as fast if not faster because it filters better. If I misunderstood your question, sorry.

If you want to compare the Fleetguard to Subaru OEM or Deere OEM you will have to cut them apart to see what the media is like, how much surface area there is to the media and what the construction, end-cap and anti drainback assembly look like.

I tend to say that the best filter you could use would be the OEM filter for your application. Of course, many OEM filters are made by other companies (Wix, Fram, etc...) It's hard to keep up on who makes who. I generally go by reputation.

 

[thatguy]

My around about question was - Could I safely run the fleetguard filters just as long as I could run the Mobil 1 extended performance filters (M1 advertises either 15k or 25k mile filter interval), but I am hoping for 10k oil/filter changes

thanks

Brian

 

[Shimon]

My around about question was - Could I safely run the fleetguard filters just as long as I could run the Mobil 1 extended performance filters (M1 advertises either 15k or 25k mile filter interval), but I am hoping for 10k oil/filter changes

thanks

Brian

I would not run those Fleetguard filters for 10k miles. Are you doing oil samples to see how long you can go between oil changes eith the Mobil 1? I'm not too familiar with the Mobil 1 extended performance filters. I honestly don't see what they could do to make an extended life filter unless you are also running a bypass filter. Their synthetic media may trap more stuff more efficiently but that just means it will clog up quicker but they do say they have more surface area on their media...how much more? You can only fit so much media into a filter no matter how much you pleat it. Anyway, Fleetguard filters don't make those claims and is a traditional filter so I would not use it for extended intervals. And my personal opinion (based on the Mobil 1 marketing info) is that I would not trust their filters for 10k miles either until I see some independent data that says it ok. I'm not trusting the longevity of my equipment to the latest technology until has been proven to be better. They may claim to warranty any damage to your engine from using their stuff but it is pretty hard to prove the wear in your engine was their fault. Way too many factors involved. Just my opinion.

 

[Shimon]

By the way, here is some good reading on oil and filters and oil change intervals: Motor Oil Myths and Facts

Remember, it's free information from the internet so that is all it's worth. But I think that page is actually pretty well done. I tend to agree with most everything on there.

 

[TNTech]

I agree with Shimon on the change intervals. For warranty purposes you should always go by the engine oil change intervals. The only exceptions should be when using extended service filters. Fleetguards' line is called Venturi Combo. If you want to check these out use the followng e-mail address. In the search box at the upper right hand corner, type in VENTURI COMBO.
Cummins Filtration

 

[sw03]

you can get a China-mart oil filter (like $3) to last 7,500 miles without issues.

 

[Sully2]

I would not run those Fleetguard filters for 10k miles. Are you doing oil samples to see how long you can go between oil changes eith the Mobil 1? I'm not too familiar with the Mobil 1 extended performance filters. I honestly don't see what they could do to make an extended life filter unless you are also running a bypass filter. Their synthetic media may trap more stuff more efficiently but that just means it will clog up quicker but they do say they have more surface area on their media...how much more? You can only fit so much media into a filter no matter how much you pleat it. Anyway, Fleetguard filters don't make those claims and is a traditional filter so I would not use it for extended intervals. And my personal opinion (based on the Mobil 1 marketing info) is that I would not trust their filters for 10k miles either until I see some independent data that says it ok. I'm not trusting the longevity of my equipment to the latest technology until has been proven to be better. They may claim to warranty any damage to your engine from using their stuff but it is pretty hard to prove the wear in your engine was their fault. Way too many factors involved. Just my opinion.

The FleetGuard oil filters on my motorhome are to be changed every 15,000 miles..along with the oil!

 

[dmccarty]

My JD dealer told me that JD filters are made by Fleetguard. The dealer had Fleetguard branded filters as well. I buy my F350 oil filter from JD. The filter looks just like the Ford and Fleetguard oil filters I have bought in the past. Well, it does have JD written on it.

If you run JD oil and filters in a JD engine, JD says you can go an extra 50% number of hours between oil changes.

Running JD and Ford filters I have seen no difference in the oil analysis on my truck. I have bought Fleetguard from International but I am not sure I have run oil analysis on them. Likely I have but not sure. I have gone up to just shy of 10K on an oil change. Oil was fine. Usually I change oil and filter around 8-9K. Engine is wearing below average, oil was fine and had lots of TBN left. TBN started at 12. Ended at 10. Threw away good oil but I have irrational issues with running over 10k on the oil.

Have you seen if you can get all of your filters from your JD dealer? My dealer actually charges me less than what I would pay at the local parts stores. And they mail it to my house. And they always have the filters in stock which seems to always be a problem for the local stores.

Later,
Dan

 

[fieldserviceengineer]

I just figured out that my JD 2320 and my wifes 2009 Subaru Forester can use the same Fleetguard (cummins) oil filter (LF 3692) .. I am running Amsoil in my wifes car and shooting for at least +10k mileage intervals (after taking a UOA at 7500 miles)..

I have been running Fleetguard filters on my Dodge/Cummins since it was new and its about time to reorder stock for it.. So I was trying to buy everything I need from one source at the same time.. Due to low usage, neither the truck or tractor is running synthetic oil (extended oil changes)

Any opinions on the use of the Fleetguard filter for extended oil changes on the subaru? How would it compare to Mobil 1, Wix, Donaldson, or the subaru OEM.. How would it compare the the OEM deere filter?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.. You dont see many ppl comparing Fleetguard filters on the web.

Brian

The LF3692 is shown as the filter for your needs per Fleetguard. What you may not be aware of is that the warranty on their filters only goes for as long as the OEM lists as the normal oil change interval. Should you experience a defect in manufacturing or materials that would mean 'warranty', it will be based on the JD published service interval and the Subaru published service interval. That filter product is made of cellulose media. Most engine lube oil filters do not stop much in the way of solid contaminants. Synthetic media lube oil filters while rated to trap very small particles and a high number of them, in actuality trap very few particles. However, synthetic media has lower cold flow resistance meaning more oil is filtered at cold start up than with a cellulose filter. The extended oil drain you seek will have much more to do with the quality and type of oil you use. May I suggest that when looking at used oil analysis to determine oil change life, be sure to get an analysis that will give the used oil TBN (total base number). TBN level will do more to show the condition of the additive package in general. If the TBN number should show that it is depleted, this means the Total Acid Level (TAN) is high. High TAN is an indicator of oil that is now attacking your engine parts through corrosion and etching. Test your new oil to determine the baseline qualities of that oil, then test it as a used oil to see the effects on TBN values.