Fine engineering my foot

[adorondi]

You say fine engineering of the Kubota.
When on the B2410 that I own and operate. I think the B2410 is poorly engineered when:
1.) The range lever H,N,L can be bumped into N and the machine freewheels (there should be a saftey check here so this does not happen).
2.) The foot brake and the HST Forward Reverse on the same floor board (operate both with right foot) reduces the ability to operate. No automobile or truck has this configuration. Difficult to feather motion with HST F/R and foot brake.
3.) To fuel the Tractor with a five gallon container you need to be acrobatic to get the fuel can nozzel into the center mounted fuel tank opening. You may chuckle here but seniors should be able to use this machine also.

 

[Jeff396]

I'll second the difficulty of fueling especially if you have a fel. What I ended up doing was buying one of those hand pump fuelers. I believe it was under $20.00. Now, I just set the fuel jug on the hood and use the plunger to transfer the fuel. If you didn't want to lift the jug onto the hood, you'd just need to lengthen the hose a bit and leave it on the ground.

Jeff

 

[jrlichina]

I think the comment of fine engineering was made about the BX....

 

[Kelvin]

I guess that I don't fully understand the problem with your #2 complaint.

<font color=blue>2.) The foot brake and the HST Forward Reverse on the same floor board (operate both with left foot) reduces the ability to operate. No automobile or truck has this configuration. Difficult to feather motion with HST F/R and foot brake.</font color=blue>

I have operated my B2150 with the same configuration for several years with no complaints. For me, I never use the brake pedal unless I'm setting the parking brake. I let the hydrostat transmission do the braking for me, which, when in 4wd, is a far superior braking system than the mechanical brakes on the rear wheels only.

I'll admit that I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the term "feather motion", but I assume that you mean that you are moving the tractor in slow and/or small incremets. If so, why do you need to use the brakes for that? The problem that I have with moving in small increments is that the HST pedal sometimes wont return to neutral when released, thus I have to lightly tap the HST pedal in the opposite direction when I am ready for it to stop. You can also press the clutch pedal to stop movement.

On my B2150 I have not experienced the problem with your #1 complaint but have experienced the same problem with the fuel filling operations. While the location of the tank fill port can be inconvenient, I will say that the central location minimizes fuel spills/leaks (out of the tank) when on an incline with a full tank.

Kelvin

 

[Boondox]

I have no trouble fueling my L3010 because of the cross bar for the FEL. I rest the 5 gallon fuel container on the bar, remove the hose plug but not the vent cap, tilt the container onto its side and tuck the hose into the filler neck, then remove the vent cap. Piece of cake.

Can't imagine how to do it without an FEL, though.

Pete

 

[Jeff396]

I will give that method a shot. Until now, all I had managed to do was create a big mess until I got the pump. Unfortunately, the pump can be a bit slow.

Jeff

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Point (2) is valid in my book.

I have at times wanted to use the rear brakes independently for the steering effect and find it impossible to do. [unless I engage the cruise control, but that doesn't work in reverse does it??]

An example of this would be when back dragging with the loader and the front wheels are off the ground a bit, so there is no steering and I need to turn slightly to keep from hitting a bank beside my pond.

Let me add another poor desing feature. The plastic shroud that covers the front drive shaft on my B2910. Mine has self destructed and should be a warantee repair. The dealer has agreed to repair it under warrenty.

BUT, it is so exposed to damage, even with the loader sub frame covering it a bit, I had to make a skid plate to ease my mind and elimante questions should it fail again after the dealer replaces it. One little stick poking up could do that thing in!

Then there are the two hydraulic filters sticking out the sides unprotected...and the fuel filter hanging out there behind the right front wheel...

Then there is the B2910 cruise control lever that is rught next to your right leg, and easily activated slightly, which prevents the reverse pedal from operating smoothly, kind of hangs it up. AND I AM NOT A LARGE GUY, JUST NORMAL SIZED...

Better stop now...

Bill in Pgh, PA

 

[Harv]

Been a while since I bored y'all with some of my old pictures, but since you brought it up, here's <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.tractorbynet.com/forumfiles/47-128906-PouringDiesel.jpg>my solution</A> to fillin' her up.

<font color=blue>operate both with left foot</font color=blue>

Really!!?? That would drive me nuts.

I'm hoping that's a typo, 'cuz I can't imagine anything resembling an accelerator being on the the left side. I'd get so confused when I hopped back in my truck that I wouldn't be safe on the road.

(Hmmm... /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif I notice that since I posted this message, the original wording was quietly edited to say "right foot".

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[Anonymous Poster]

You might try a wide-mouthed funnel and 2 1/2 gallon fuel container.

 

[adorondi]

Here is the scenario I was refering to with the foot brakes that should in my opinion be operated with the left foot.

Need to lock either rear wheel to apply maximum drive to the other. So try uncoupling the foot brakes and apply either to lock a rear wheel then apply the motion pedal. You could get your siginificant other to operate the motion medal for you. If you have large feet you will need a broom handle to operate the motion pedal. Maybe you could have a right peg leg, a parrot and some saltine crackers to get the job done. How sharp is the blade on your pocket knife?

 

[P.K. Burke]

Harv:
What a great idea. I have to stand up on the front tire to reach the tank on my tractor due to being vertically challenged. The other day I had the tractor on the trailer and was fueling it up and when I was finished I forgot where I was and stepped back off the tire into outer (inner?) space. Fortunately I realized at the last second that I wasn't anywhere near the ground and was able to grab the top arm of the fel thereby preventing what would probably have been a broken leg due to my weight heading rapidly towards the ground and my leg caught between the hydraulic ram and the tire. Sure gives one pause sometimes. One must always be aware of where the heck one is at any given moment. I'll give your method of refueling a try if I can find a rafter low enough for me to reach. Later.
PK Burke

 

[Harv]

PK -

If you're gonna try the rope 'n' hose approach, you might want to go a step further, as somebody else (can't remember who now) did, and use a pulley or two to make the hoisting even easier. /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

 

[Gatorboy]

Hmmmm...well on my tractor, the LEFT pedal is the clutch and the RIGHT is the brake. This by the way is how my Honda Civic is configured as well.

Did you say you want the brake on the left? That would sure make clutching and braking very tough for me.

 

[frank_f15]

i have a b2400, i don't think i can agree with u. the cofiguration of the range seletor does not create a problem for me, don't see how in normal operation u could accidently move it. use the hst pledal to stop motion and have hardly ever needed to use brake pedals and like cars the throttle and brake are used with right foot and clutch with left, same as 2410. stops u from pressing on forward motion and trying to use brake at same time. i have driven a few trators that were worse. and as far as fueling, being a senior myself i just went to 2.5 gal cans( much easier to lift and control) the 2400 only has a 6 gal. tank so when it gets to half this old boy drops in 2.5 gal.. don't beleive there is anything that is perfect. just MHO/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[Kelvin]

I'll agree that Kubota's hydrostatic pedal arrangement does not allow for easy use of differential braking. I thought about that after I sent my post but didn't feel like editing the post after it was submitted.

I'll add that as far as I know Kubota's hydrostatic pedal setup has been the same since the mid-1980s and even with the differential braking limitation, I'm thinking that their sales have grown quite a bit over that time frame. So while the HST pedal arrangement isn't ideal for everyone, it appears to satisify the majority of the customers.

I think that John Deere's HST pedal arrangement allows differential braking for those that need to use it on a regular basis.

Kelvin

 

[CSAW]

I was not aware of where the kubotas are fueled. A couple years ago a local elderly man was fueling an 8n which is also done through the top of the hood. The tractor was hot and he spilled the fuel on the tractor. The tractor caught on fire along with him. He survived for guite a while but eventualy died from it. Although diesel fuel is not a volitile as gas I would think it could still happen. Just something to think about.

 

[RobertN]

When you are in 4WD, you have "attached" the front drive to the rear drive. Hence, when you hit the rear brakes, slowing down the rear drive, you are directly slowing down the front drive. It is the same with the HST. It drives the rear directly(sort of). When you engage the front drive line, you have the same basic effect.

Typically, the HST can provide most of your braking. Unless I'm in high range(my B8200 has High, Mid, and low), I just roll back on the HST to slow down or stop.

The HST is useless for brake steering. But, I think they figured these things are so easy to steer that you don't need brake steering, especially when power steering equipped.

 

[frank_f15]

ROBERT: slightly off topic, but i just helped my friend (neighbor) move tons of dirt in the last 2 afternoons. him with his b8200 and my b2400. he has had his for about 14 years and i had used it a few times. it is one of the reasons i had to have a kubota. he has worked that 8200 like th dickens and never a problem. that was one hell of a machine and only hope i can get the same service from my 2400. how has your 8200 treated u ?

 

[RobertN]

I'm going on 4 years with mine. I got it used with 425 hours. I'm only at 760 now. The front grill is a pice of junk, but other than that minor thing, the tractor has been flawless. As a large frame tractor for 19hp, I do wish it had a couple more ponies. But, it has done all I have asked of it.

I just replaced the rear tires. I believe they were original. I got a nail in one. No big deal, except the sidewalls were really breaking down(turf tires). I know it set outside before I got it, and the sun is not gentle on rubber. I put R4's on the rear; I need to save a bit to do the fronts.

I have run a disc, Post hole auger, rear scoop, FEL, and scrapers with it. I did add tip/tilt too.