Fence post driver HELP please

   / Fence post driver HELP please #1  

pappy60

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As part of a fundraiser we have to put up about 15-20 standard fence t-posts then remove them and put them back up in a different location.
This is a yearly event... possibly to become twice yearly..

We cannot use a tractor due to location... Have been using manual driver (homemade version of this...
...cannot get any link to work... go to either tractor supply or northern tool and check their "fence post driver"

But we are not getting younger so looking to make something that can either run off electric or small lawnmower sized engine to drive the posts into the ground..

Have not come up with a working solution...

Need ideas on how to build something... something like a small jackhammer, etc...

Need cost to be low, but have plenty of steel available and all tools to make just about anything in this size.. i.e. welders, torches, saws, etc.

Any advice or ideas ??
All help greatly appreciated.
 
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   / Fence post driver HELP please #2  
Just curious...what are the fence post's purpose? Could they be driven in shallow so they come out easier? I use a Farm Jack to pull out Tee-posts if my FEL can't reach them but if they are shallow I pull them out by hand.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #3  
There are many makes and models of these gasoline powered T-post drivers. They don't hammer, they vibrate it in. I don't know your budget, but given you don't have a massive use for one, you could probably find a used one for a decent price.

I wish I had one back when I was pounding them in with our homemade manual driver.

Gas Post Drivers
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #4  
When I was in high school, I worked for a large event tent rental company. We had to drive, remove, redrive 3-4 foot long iron tent poles routinely. We used what amounted to a jackhammer with a collar that fit over the post heads.

Look at these gas-powered post drivers - Ranch-Pro™ - Rhino ToolsRhino Tools
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #5  
Another option is a pneumatic one. They need quite a bit of air though. If it's only 15-20 fence posts I'd be hard pressed to spend so much money on something that will be hardly used. I bet you could hire a HS kid from the feed store for $50 and be done with it!

Brett
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #6  
Not all the pneumatic drivers use a lot of air - I have this one -

http://www.rohrermfg.com/post-drivers/99e-m-post-driver/

Runs fine off an airless "rooftop" compressor (see link for details)
For your use, if it will ONLY be used for T posts

http://www.rohrermfg.com/post-drivers/98e-basic-t-post-driver/

Takes even LESS air than mine, and costs $450 instead of $2000 like the gas powered ones. See videos here

http://www.rohrermfg.com/

No affiliation, just a satisfied user - my larger one (with an adapter I built) will drive 4x4's (I cut a point on 'em first) into clay soil (timing is EVERYTHING, same as for tilling :D ) ...Steve
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #7  
As part of a fundraiser we have to put up about 15-20 standard fence t-posts then remove them and put them back up in a different location.
This is a yearly event... possibly to become twice yearly..

We cannot use a tractor due to location... Have been using manual driver (homemade version of this...
...cannot get any link to work... go to either tractor supply or northern tool and check their "fence post driver"

But we are not getting younger so looking to make something that can either run off electric or small lawnmower sized engine to drive the posts into the ground..

Have not come up with a working solution...

Need ideas on how to build something... something like a small jackhammer, etc...

Need cost to be low, but have plenty of steel available and all tools to make just about anything in this size.. i.e. welders, torches, saws, etc.

Any advice or ideas ??
All help greatly appreciated.

How much does your driver weigh? I bought one from TS and drove one post and took it back. I built one that is half again heavier and it works like a dream. Kind of hard to lift up over the post but then it drives them through roots or anything else.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please
  • Thread Starter
#8  
The fundraiser is a golf tournament for money to help rebuild homes caused by natural disasters, such as Katrina, Superstorm Sandy, etc...

The posts are to hold sponsor banners, lengths of 4', 6' and 8'... Put them up at golf course in morning, take them down and put them back up at the location of the included meal ...

Thought about jack hammers but not sure how well they worked to pound posts in...

The rohrermfg unit is what I am looking for... but hopefully can find one at a lower cost..

Northern tool has one that lifts the weight and you pull it down like a manual driver but it does not work very well..
Air comes out too slow..

Anyone know how the rohrermfg unit works ??? On what principal ??

Thanks for any assistance..
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #9  
For the amount to of post driving you will be doing the $30 or $40 dollar version of the manual post driver from Northern Tool will work just fine. I don't think you will really need to drive the posts in as far as if you were holding up fencing for a long period of time. If you can swing a golf club, you can swing this too.
To remove, I just wiggle it back and forth and the usually pop out. For the really stubborn ones, I use a the sharp end of a pick or log jack in one of the holes near the bottom of the post as a lever. That works too.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #10  
Tsc has a nice tpost pounder.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please
  • Thread Starter
#11  
For the amount to of post driving you will be doing the $30 or $40 dollar version of the manual post driver from Northern Tool will work just fine. I don't think you will really need to drive the posts in as far as if you were holding up fencing for a long period of time. If you can swing a golf club, you can swing this too.
To remove, I just wiggle it back and forth and the usually pop out. For the really stubborn ones, I use a the sharp end of a pick or log jack in one of the holes near the bottom of the post as a lever. That works too.

From original post " Have been using manual driver -----But we are not getting younger so looking to make something that can either run off electric or small lawnmower sized engine to drive the posts into the ground.".

Also, removing them is no problem. we have a post remover...
And a manual driver / pounder....

Also, when they are holding up 4'x8' banners on a windy day, they take a lot of force...

Never said we could swing a golf club, just that it is a golf fundraiser... Other folks play the round of golf, we just arrange it..
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The rohrermfg unit is what we were looking for... but hopefully can find one at a lower cost..
Or can build a similar one cheaper..
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #12  
look for "ground rod drivers" or a "rotary hammer drill" possibly.

instead of T posts. would 1/2" or 3/4" concrete re-enforcement rod work?

can you go with used tire/rim (with or without actual tire on rim) and just weld on a short pipe. into the center. and the drill a hole through T post. so you can insert a pin through post and short pipe. (roll the rim to spot, drop in T post, put pin in)

if need be toss a sang bag on rim/tire to keep it held up during high winds. or tap T post a couple inches into ground. to give it a bit more stability. and insert pin. to lock T post to tire rim.

5 gallon bucket plus concrete in bottom plus some sort of "pipe" in center. to slip T post into. fill bottom of bucket with some concrete to hold pipe. move into position. then fill it up to max level with water. make a hole in lid, so T post can fit down through lid into pipe. lid help keep water from splashing out during high winds / an attempt to keep bugs from breading in the water if left out for a little bit of time.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #13  
I think I would look at making posts with a large base that sand bags can be used on. Or possibly look into using rebar and driving it in with a rotary hammer.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #14  
[video]https://www.google.com/search?q=driving+ground+rods+with+hammer+drill&oq=driving+ground+rods+with&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l2.14793j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=driving+t-posts+with+hammer+drill&kpvalbx=1[/video]

This might be worth a try. Then use or rent a powerful battery operated rotary hammer drill.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #15  
A couple people have mentioned getting rid of the t-post idea completely. What about something like this made out of 2x4's, with holes drilled in the outer portion of the legs and short pieces of rebar with a hook on the top driven into the ground to hold them in place.

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   / Fence post driver HELP please #16  
Seriously, if you can't put in that many t posts with a manual driver, then I'm not so sure you will be able to handle another type of driver. Maybe recruit some younger people to help.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #17  
common theme. is i doubt there is going to be any way to get rid of "weight" and needing to lift some weight some were some place.

the only thing i think of that might remove most amount of weight and physically man handling the weight might be...

using water. and getting say a 30 gallon sprayer pull behind trailer or like. that you could hook up to a golf cart or utv or atv, use the sprayer pump, to dump water into buckets or what not.

using rebar. and then finding a tool that can be ran with smallest generator possible and tossing generator it on a hand cart. or into back of a golf cart / utv / atv.

you might find a 12v to 110v converter will work, and if it does, good chance you may need to REV up engine just to keep battery alive. and/or go through 1 to 3 deep cycle batteries possibly.

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with rebar and larger signs. i ended up having to make more of a "tripod" for like a camera. and pounding in 3 to 4 rebar into ground. at different angles to form a triangle at the ground. and then using some fence wire / electrical fence wire to snug all the rebar together at the top. if not the rebar in higher winds was causing the rebar to physically bend. due to the signs were pulling so hard. (were larger / (longer) plastic banner signs)

a T post less likely to bend vs rebar, but you need to get them deeper into the ground.

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if you can drive an ATV or UTV onto the grass. check out some of the DIY post hammer builds here on TBN.

google "post driver site:tractorbynet.com" then click up on images
google "post hammer site:tractorbynet.com" then click up on images

a couple of the builds use a large weight (think sledge hammer but a bit heavier), some track / guide rails of metal. and use the tractors hydraulics to raise the weight, then let it come slamming down. you might be able to mimic one of there builds into a mini trailer to pull around with a golf cart, atv, utv.

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if you had a mini ex (mini excavator). just weld a little pipe to back side of bucket so a T post or rebar can slide into. and just push the T-posts to rebar in, and then pull them right on out, with a chain, or more better a "grubber chain / choke collar chain"

there is a descent amount of 12v to hydraulic pumps out there. more geared for ATV / UTV units, and even for some trucks as well.

there are a variety of "cranes" that fit on to atv/utv. and into the rear hitch of a truck. or mounted onto a small trailer.
there are some generic DIY builds for like a backhoe out there.

figuring something out. to use weight of what ever unit, to push T posts in, and then pull them out.

not sure if 12v actuators would have enough force. (electrical versions of hydraulic cylinders)
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if you dealt with sand bags. + mini trailer + a crane that uses a hand jack. or a 12v to hydrualic pump to jack to lift/lower, or 12v winch to raise lower. to help deal with weight of sand bags.

pull it around with a riding lawn mower if you need to.

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if you got the metal and skills. build an A frame. were there is a hinge at the top. and then the brace in middle attaches some how easily. perhaps put a bottom rod across near the bottom. and toss a sand bag over the rod to keep it held in place.

perhaps add a 3rd leg to the A frame. to turn it more into a tall tripod. and weld on a little i don't know 12"x12" plate on bottom of legs, to toss a sand bag on.

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goto your local sport store / camping store. and look at various "tent stakes", some of them you can attach a drill to. and literally screw right down into the ground. then slip a pipe into the top and toss a pin in. then reverse to remove the stakes. should be some sort of "drill attachment" for the stakes.

some of the stakes offer a ring on top of the stakes. to more easily attach a rope / chain to. so you can pull a post over to tighten things up.

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to state it. do NOT try a chisel hammer. for like busting up concrete / making a hole in concrete. not enough momentum / weight. you will just end up wasting time and destroying T posts and/or rebar and/or the bit in the chisel hammer.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #18  
From original post " Have been using manual driver -----But we are not getting younger so looking to make something that can either run off electric or small lawnmower sized engine to drive the posts into the ground.".

Also, removing them is no problem. we have a post remover...
And a manual driver / pounder....

Also, when they are holding up 4'x8' banners on a windy day, they take a lot of force...

Never said we could swing a golf club, just that it is a golf fundraiser... Other folks play the round of golf, we just arrange it..
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The rohrermfg unit is what we were looking for... but hopefully can find one at a lower cost..
Or can build a similar one cheaper..

I was just using the golf swing as a point of reference for that amount of strength need to drive in a T-post. Its only 15-20 posts, really not that many.

Congratulations on helping put on this event. Maybe the golf course can set these up for you. Most golf courses hold tournaments, so I'm sure they have seen or done this before. Just a suggestion, take it or leave it as you like. Good luck!
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #19  
Here they use signs like real estate people use, just push in ground, not large banners.
 
   / Fence post driver HELP please #20  
Lots of ideas. Maybe a local rental shop or fence company could donate a post driver for the day. Be very careful of welding on a wheel rim with a mounted pressurized tire. Check Youtube for the details and the damage that occurs when the tire explodes.
Al
 

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