Filter is on the left side of the trans. When sitting on the tractor drop your left arm straight down and it will be in that area. Two bolts hold on a oblong plate. The filter is underneath this cover. There is a rubber,"o" ring That goes with this cover. Lots of trans/hyd fuild so drain this first. The screen/filter sets in horizontal to this cover. Will most likely be full of crud. New is under 20.00 I believe. Mine did not have enough fluid to flow every place with the restricted flow.
FEL Control Question
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mjncad
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J.J.: Since the OP is new to tractors and hydraulics; how about sketching up a quick schematic diagram for him to get a better idea of what you are describing in your posts? It doesn't have to be CAD pretty; just something to make visualization easier.
Thanks,
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This is a drawing of a FEL valve.
The third page shows the drawing and description of Open Center Power Beyond, and Closed Center.
Page three
http://www.surpluscenter.com/adspecs/AS9-4782.pdf
The third page shows the drawing and description of Open Center Power Beyond, and Closed Center.
Page three
http://www.surpluscenter.com/adspecs/AS9-4782.pdf
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dhostetler
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Ok, I would like to thank everyone for their help trouble shooting the valve. The issue is there no power beyond adapter installed so the out port and pb are sharing the same plumbing.
The valve manufacturer is out of business and I'm having trouble tracking down the fitting/adapter. So I may just end up replacing the whole valve. What do I need to look for when shopping for a new controller?
Or, is there a way to 't' the line into the FEL control that would basically select power for the loader control or the 3 point hitch? I could just plug the pb port on the loader control in this scenario...
The valve manufacturer is out of business and I'm having trouble tracking down the fitting/adapter. So I may just end up replacing the whole valve. What do I need to look for when shopping for a new controller?
Or, is there a way to 't' the line into the FEL control that would basically select power for the loader control or the 3 point hitch? I could just plug the pb port on the loader control in this scenario...
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Have you told us the manufacturer of the valve?
#1 Find a PB sleeve for your valve.
If you cant find a PB adapter for the valve, you can do this, but is not recommended as you will be using the OUT port as the downstream supply, and cyl fluid dump.
The OUT port normally has a pressure rating for about 500 psi. Back pressure from the 3pt could raise it to 2500 psi.
#2 Plug the the PB port with a short plug so as to let the main galleries and the cyl fluid exit the out port.
Then feed the remotes or 3pt using the OUT fluid from the FEL valve.
#3 option, replace the FEL valve with something like this.
This is a 10 GPM joystick valve with float.
Surplus Center - 2 SPOOL JOYSTICK BRAND LV22TSTKAB LOADER VALVE
#1 Find a PB sleeve for your valve.
If you cant find a PB adapter for the valve, you can do this, but is not recommended as you will be using the OUT port as the downstream supply, and cyl fluid dump.
The OUT port normally has a pressure rating for about 500 psi. Back pressure from the 3pt could raise it to 2500 psi.
#2 Plug the the PB port with a short plug so as to let the main galleries and the cyl fluid exit the out port.
Then feed the remotes or 3pt using the OUT fluid from the FEL valve.
#3 option, replace the FEL valve with something like this.
This is a 10 GPM joystick valve with float.
Surplus Center - 2 SPOOL JOYSTICK BRAND LV22TSTKAB LOADER VALVE
nsmithnd
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JJ, I've had my eye on one of the SurplusCenter joystick valves to replace the Victor brand FEL valve on a 79' Ford 1700 (possibly re-purposing the Victor for front/rear auxiliary ports). Is the Regen model something that would be worth the extra $50? Or would it be something that I might regret down the road?
-Neil
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Regen is just a fast dump, and if you do a lot of loading and dumping it might be a good thing.
These should work for you. Regen is an extra function, it is there if you need it. It is past the soft stop or far right.
Surplus Center - 2 SPOOL JOYSTICK BRAND LV22TSTKAB LOADER VALVE
Regen valve
Surplus Center - 2 SPOOL COMPACT 10 GPM JOYSTICK CONTROL VALVE
http://www.surpluscenter.com/Instruct/I9-7401.pdf
Third page.
These should work for you. Regen is an extra function, it is there if you need it. It is past the soft stop or far right.
Surplus Center - 2 SPOOL JOYSTICK BRAND LV22TSTKAB LOADER VALVE
Regen valve
Surplus Center - 2 SPOOL COMPACT 10 GPM JOYSTICK CONTROL VALVE
http://www.surpluscenter.com/Instruct/I9-7401.pdf
Third page.
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dhostetler
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Hey Neil , want to part that puppy out if your upgrading? I'd love to track down this part rather than upgrade...
nsmithnd
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Unfortunately mine doesn't have the PB port.
This is what mine looks like.
This is what mine looks like.
Leejohn
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Your valve doesn't have load checks, you well not mess it.
nsmithnd
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load check? (had to google it)...
hmmm... Is it the "lack-of" load check that causes the bounce I've been experiencing if I don't baby the control valve?
hmmm... Is it the "lack-of" load check that causes the bounce I've been experiencing if I don't baby the control valve?
Leejohn
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I would think maybe it could. Without load checks if you just move the lever real slow and just a little the load could go all the way down. They catch and hold the load when you go from down to up.
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dhostetler , you ask this question in another post.
Is there a way to 't' the line into the FEL control that would basically select power for the loader control or the 3 point hitch? I could just plug the pb port on the loader control in this scenario...
The answer is, yes. You can separate the flow into two circuits by using this valve. Once connected, it will allow you to select between FEL and 3pt.
You would install this valve after the pump and connect one of the ports to the FEL circuit, and the other port to the 3pt line. Handle in selects one port, and handle out selects the other port.
Surplus Center - 1/2" NPT 20 GPM PRINCE SELECTOR VALVE
I am not saying this is practical, but is just an alternative, and it does have about 1/4 the price of a new valve.
About the only reason that you can not just keep your current valve in series with the hyd flow, is the back pressure that could be generated by the 3pt. Your return port may only be rated for 500 psi, and back pressure can obtain tractor relief pressure of 2500 psi.
Some people have done this for years with no problems. So this will mean that the return port would be the weakest link.
Post #27 has your joystick options.
Is there a way to 't' the line into the FEL control that would basically select power for the loader control or the 3 point hitch? I could just plug the pb port on the loader control in this scenario...
The answer is, yes. You can separate the flow into two circuits by using this valve. Once connected, it will allow you to select between FEL and 3pt.
You would install this valve after the pump and connect one of the ports to the FEL circuit, and the other port to the 3pt line. Handle in selects one port, and handle out selects the other port.
Surplus Center - 1/2" NPT 20 GPM PRINCE SELECTOR VALVE
I am not saying this is practical, but is just an alternative, and it does have about 1/4 the price of a new valve.
About the only reason that you can not just keep your current valve in series with the hyd flow, is the back pressure that could be generated by the 3pt. Your return port may only be rated for 500 psi, and back pressure can obtain tractor relief pressure of 2500 psi.
Some people have done this for years with no problems. So this will mean that the return port would be the weakest link.
Post #27 has your joystick options.
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dhostetler,
Looking at your valve, I see 7 hoses. What did the return hose connect to , and what did the PB hose connect to?
Looking at your valve, I see 7 hoses. What did the return hose connect to , and what did the PB hose connect to?
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dhostetler
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If you look back at the photo, both the return and pb ports are the right elbows on the right side.
I'm still working w/ a company who may have a part for me. So hopefully that's the best case scenario.
I think I would go with the circuit select method, Before plugging off the return line. Thanks for the link to the valve selector.
I'm still working w/ a company who may have a part for me. So hopefully that's the best case scenario.
I think I would go with the circuit select method, Before plugging off the return line. Thanks for the link to the valve selector.
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I've ended up biting the bullet and buying a new joystick controller - the snow is piling up too much for me to have the tractor out of service. You guys helped me figure out the issue - thanks!
