FEL and Filled tires

MikePA · Oct 24, 2003

have_blue, would it be possible for you to post some pictures of this situation where the FEL wont reach the ground? In particular, I'm interested if the cylinders are fully retracted.

have_blue · Oct 24, 2003

( HOw would you get the fluid out of the tire? )

Best way is to roll the tire until the valve stem is at 6:00, and unscrew the valve stem. When the water slows, shoot some air in the tire and stand back.

I'm just letting out a little water...just below the valve stem at the 12:00 position. Dealer put in a little too much water.

have_blue · Oct 24, 2003

( have_blue, would it be possible for you to post some pictures of this situation where the FEL wont reach the ground? In particular, I'm interested if the cylinders are fully retracted. )

Understand the bucket does not touch the ground only in the fully rolled back position. There was about a 1-1/8" gap at first. It touches the ground easily in the level position, and even while slightly rolled back.

I added air to the rears and removed air from the fronts yesterday Thursday morning. This closed the gap to about 1/2". Thursday afternoon, I shot more air into the rears, going up to about 12 pounds. I did not check the gap, but will do so this morning and take a picture if there's still a gap.

Incidentally, it's scooping better since I aired the rears. I don't think my tractor has enough power to raise a slightly dug in 72" bucket while on the move. I have to clutch it in order to raise it even 1/2".

rambler · Nov 14, 2003

I run 7 farm tractors on my farm, 1/2 have fluid.

If you have CC in them, rinse the rims if you are letting water out. However:

There is no reason to let water out??????

The tires should have about 75-80% fluid. The tire should have the same air pressure as normal. I'm guessing the dealer dude forgot to air it up, when you put in fluid you end up around zero air pressure.

The fluid should be totally transparent to any of your loader problems. Totally & completely, should make no difference at all.

I just has an old tire leak on me, had the service truck out, replaced the tire & tube, refilled with fluid, & had my little 1720 rears filled. Sure makes a world of difference on the stability of the tractor with loader!

Getting your rear tires up to proper pressure will make some difference, as you are finding. But something else, totally seperate from the fluid, is causing a problem here?

--->Paul

JerryG · Nov 14, 2003

have_blue,
You might have one of the guys that has the same loader measure the compressed and extended lengths. Having the wrong cylinders is a long shot, but I have seen stranger things from the factory. (ex. 4x4 truck with way different gear ratios front and rear)

NoTrespassing · Nov 15, 2003

Jerry, now you got my attention. We gotta hear the story of the different factory installed gear ratios. I'm having all kinds of pictures go thru my head about what happened the first time somebody used 4 wheel drive on the truck. Shift on the fly at about 40 mph would be interesting. I would think with an open rearend on an empty truck it would be chirping one of the rear tires. Sorry for off topic but I just gotta hear it. Could you give us a hint about the brand too /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Maybe this is a completely new thread?

Kevin

JerryG · Nov 15, 2003

No brands from me. But I will tell the story. The guy was on the farm and need to go up a steep hill. He reached down and put it in 4 wheel. Started out slow, up the hill. The front tires started digging and throwing rocks everywhere. He tried it on level ground and it did the same thing. Took it to the dealer, they checked the axle tags and they said that the ratios were right. The dealer took the truck to the back lot to test it and the same thing happen with dirt and rock being thrown everywhere. When they tore it down the front differential had something like 2:75?:1 and rear had 3.50 or 3.73:1. This was a new two or three day old truck. Anything can happen from the factory, any factory, that is why I said check an other loader.

have_blue · Nov 17, 2003

( Having the wrong cylinders is a long shot, but I have seen stranger things from the factory )

JerryG,

The cylinders seem to have the necessary range. With the bucket level, the FEL will not pick up the tires, but that's apparently due to lack of power, not stroke. With the bucket un-curled, thus making a shorter lever, it will pick up the front tires.

Speed bumps are now a minor issue, as I've resigned myself to getting them. The more I use this FEL, the more I dislike it. Since I have lots of FEL work ahead, the prospects of using it are not encouraging. My little Woods 1009 loader on my TC29 would work circles around it, especially if I had it on my new TC35.

I'm getting my dealer to look at it, and I'm hopeful he will help me sell or trade it.

Mean time, I would appreciate it if anyone that has a 16LA doing a few little tests for me.

With the bucket level, lower it straight down and see if it picked up the tires, and how far. (mine won't)

With bucket level and arms lowered, scoop about 2" into firm soil. Now lift straight up without curling. Will it lift? (mine won't)

With bucket curled up to maximum, lift loader about 5'. Quickly un curl the bucket all the way. Does it go down to vertical, then hesitate 3-4 seconds before bumping against the stops? (mine does)

Many thanks!

Bobvt · Nov 17, 2003

I had two different ratios in my new 3/4 ton Ford (1979). It would wind up so bad in 4 wheel low, that I would have to remove the cover from the transfer case and use a bar to get it out. That was the least of the problems I had with it.

Bob

jinman · Nov 17, 2003

Well, Have_blue, my loader will lift the wheels easily with the bucket flat on the ground. It will attempt to lift the wheels with the bucket curled all the way, but the travel on the lift cylinders runs out and the wheels never fully come off the ground even though the axle lifts 1-1/2" to 2" up. On a flat concrete surface the tires might clear, but not in the dirt where I was checking.

Now about the lift while digging. If I stop pushing with the tractor and do a staight lift, the bucket will come up until it's about half full. If I'm moving the tractor forward, I have to curl the bucket to get it to lift if I'm cutting about 4" deep. From your description of both these issues, I think you need to ask your dealer to adjust your pressure relief valve. Although, I know the TC35 is adjusted lower than the 40 and 45. The adjustment is the only difference in the tractors. I am guessing that the 72" bucket is overworking your hydraulics and maybe even your engine if it is bogging down. My relief valves always lift before my engine gives up, but my 10 extra horsepower is quite a bit of difference.

I don't blame you for being upset and wanting a different loader. If mine had the same characteristics I'd be pretty upset too. You don't suppose my cutter bar edge makes that much difference do you? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif