FEL and Backhoe removed and installed

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Hello

I was wondering if anyone has any photo's of the CK20S with the FEL removed and then installed.

Also if anyone has photo's of the back hoe being removed and replaced.

Does the subframe stay on the tractor when you remove the backhoe?

I have had a lot of experience with the Kubota BX22 so I was wondering how the implements attach and remove on the Kioti


Thanks for any help and photos

 

[kiotiken]

I don't have any pictures and my CK30 has a Woods bh, but they're all pretty much the same. The sub frame stays with the tractor when the bh is removed. The 3 point hitch arms come off when you install the bh, so you have to put them back on (You don't HAVE to remove the arms, but you do have to remove the stabilizers, and then you'd have them rattling around, it's just better to remove them). My bh has 2 large pins that simply slide out to release the bh. Once those are out, you lower the stabilizer arms and the hoe comes right off the sub frame. Turn the tractor off and disconnect the hydraulic lines and drive away.
I never removed the FEL, but the dealer described taking it off when it was delivered (I declined a demo since I'll probably never remove it and if I ever do, I'll have long forgotten everything he told me). I have removed the FEL on my JD 955 to paint the FEL and tractor, and it was a piece of cake and the description of removing the FEL for the CK30 seemed to be the exact same. After the pins are removed at each loader arm end, it simply lifts itself out with a little down force. Turn the tractor off and remove the hydraulic lines and back away.

 

[wallace]

If it is all Kioti. The subframe does come off with the backhoe.
Woods it does not.

 

[IXLR8]

I have not pulled the FEL on my CK30 so no idea, or pics, on how that works. I do remove/install the BackHoe yearly, on the Kioti BH the sub frame does come off with the BH. No need to remove stabilizer arms or 3pt hitch arms. Sub frame slides into place... with a bunch of manuvering, and 2 pins drop in to hold it in place. 3pt arms do need to be in the middle region of travel. Can't be at the top or at the bottom and once the BH is hooked up.. the 3pt arms can't be moved.

 

[kiotiken]

If it is all Kioti. The subframe does come off with the backhoe.
Woods it does not.

Sorry, I stand corrected.

Subframe is very heavy duty and does not come off on my Woods Ground breaker BH70-X. It was a little more over the Kioti version, but I'm very happy with it.

 

[mouth]

so every time you take the kioti bh off the subframe comes off too?
how does the sub frame attach? is it a pain in the butt to take on and off?

 

[kraftykeltic]

so every time you take the kioti bh off the subframe comes off too?
how does the sub frame attach? is it a pain in the butt to take on and off?

on a flat floor takes less than 5 minutes to take off backhoe. two pins and two hoses.

Putting it back on takes about the same amount of time after you do it a couple times. back tractor into position connect hoses, maneuver backhoe into position to catch on the brackets, back the tractor in, and then drop pins. it almost takes more time to type out then to do it

 

[mouth]

ok so the long steel frame work that goes under the tractor stays in place when the back hoe is removed? So what your saying is that the bottom of the back hoe goes onto a post the it piviots upwards (straight up and down) to line up 2 holes that pins are placed in?

 

[Gil Case]

The key to Krafty's post was level ground and supported. If the ground is not level and the back hoe droops over the winter and the under mount is two feet in the air so that you cannot back over it then it is a PITA. Especially if you are trying to do it by yourself. You will only make that mistake once and then you will find a level spot and block it so it does not droop.
Another option is to buy a 4 ft extension for the hydraulic hoses, so that you can connect them before you have to back over the sub frame. That way you can use the bucket and out riggers to level the hoe. Since I have no one to help me, that is what I did and it works slick.

 

[mouth]

So do the long steel pieces stay on the tractor when the back hoe is removed or not??

 

[Gil Case]

On the Kioti backhoe the "long steel thing" stays on the backhoe i.e it comes off the tractor. On the Woods, the sub frame stays on the tractor as per Wallace's earlier post.

 

[mouth]

Thanks Gil, that finally has answered my question.

If I now understand it right the front of that frame goes unto brackets at the front of the tractor then it pins up to the tractor on that cross member looking piece.

I would like to everyone who has posted, you all have been very helpful. This website it a wealth of knowledge that has helped answer all of my questions and some things I did not know enough to ask

Thanks

 

[steve0413]

Since I had to temporarily remove my backhoe to attach finish mower, I thought I'd get some pictures to help describe the BH removal process (at least the way I do it). Note that I put a concrete block under the BH. It just works better in my opinion, but be careful not to pinch hoses, etc.

1st picture shows the two pins removed.
2nd picture shows how I configure my BH to remove the BH weight from tractor
3rd picture shows how I've moved the tractor forward to clear the rear and front sub-frame mounts.
4th picture shows my BH setting on the ground after lowering, removing all pressure from ALL cylinders and disconnecting hyd hoses. Notice the sub-frame still attached to the BH.

 

[mouth]

thank you, these photos were very helpful

 

[mitchelli]

Just bought a used CK30, and am trying to remove BH. The frame slid out about 1/2 inch but after trying for 30 minutes of slowly raising and lowering outriggers and also up and down with boom, I just can't get it to slide the last inch or so...any tricks? I was about to use a pry-bar on front mount, but don't want to mess anything up. Thanks, Scott

 

[rimshot]

Just bought a used CK30, and am trying to remove BH. The frame slid out about 1/2 inch but after trying for 30 minutes of slowly raising and lowering outriggers and also up and down with boom, I just can't get it to slide the last inch or so...any tricks? I was about to use a pry-bar on front mount, but don't want to mess anything up. Thanks, Scott

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I have had those contact points between tractor subframe stick but it is really a matter of knowing which cylinder to move and which direction. It comes with practice. All the same, I take a brush and a bit of grease and brush those two front anchors on the tractor as well as the ones on the lead edge of the subframe on my Kioti backhie, If you to make a little more contact the surface slips off separating subframe from tractor much easier,

What really helps me is by setting the backhoe outriggers and bucket on furniture dollies. It lines right up for installation when you do that too. This works when on a cement floor as you can imagine but not so much on ground.

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[steve0413]

Just bought a used CK30, and am trying to remove BH. The frame slid out about 1/2 inch but after trying for 30 minutes of slowly raising and lowering outriggers and also up and down with boom, I just can't get it to slide the last inch or so...any tricks? I was about to use a pry-bar on front mount, but don't want to mess anything up. Thanks, Scott

You may try lowering the bucket with some pressure on the ground and try swinging it left and right just a tad. If the sub-frame sides are binding on the mounts horizontally, this might release the pressure. With practice, you should be able to install or remove the BH in less than 10 minutes.

 

[mitchelli]

Well, thanks to you both, especially the idea of the furniture dollies. I went out and tried a few more times, then crawled underneath and guess what this rook found. The guy I bought it from had the drawbar with the 2 pins down and locked so the frame would slide out an inch, hit the forward drawbar pin and stop. Pulled the pins and came off like I knew what I was doing.(This is my first tractor and trying to make sense of the Kioti owner manuals is a bit daunting). Look forward to lots of help from all of you....thanks again Scott

 

[steve0413]

Well, thanks to you both, especially the idea of the furniture dollies. I went out and tried a few more times, then crawled underneath and guess what this rook found. The guy I bought it from had the drawbar with the 2 pins down and locked so the frame would slide out an inch, hit the forward drawbar pin and stop. Pulled the pins and came off like I knew what I was doing.(This is my first tractor and trying to make sense of the Kioti owner manuals is a bit daunting). Look forward to lots of help from all of you....thanks again Scott

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[rimshot]

Well, thanks to you both, especially the idea of the furniture dollies. I went out and tried a few more times, then crawled underneath and guess what this rook found. The guy I bought it from had the drawbar with the 2 pins down and locked so the frame would slide out an inch, hit the forward drawbar pin and stop. Pulled the pins and came off like I knew what I was doing.(This is my first tractor and trying to make sense of the Kioti owner manuals is a bit daunting). Look forward to lots of help from all of you....thanks again Scott

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Actually the real advantage of those furniture dollies comes into play when putting the backhoe back on the tractor. In addition to being able to easily align the backhoe and sub frame when it's time to put backhoe back on the tractor(which has to be perfectly aligned) it's also nice to be able to roll the backhoe and sub frame into the corner or out of the way over the Winter months when it's stored.

Those furniture dollies cost about $20 each at Home depot and are rated at 1000 lbs each, I take either a piece of 3/4 plywood or some hardwood boards and fill in the centers for a nice platform with plenty of room for backhoe buckets or outrigger pads. My 2465 Kioti backhoe weighs in at close to 2000 klbs. spreading the weight evenly should put about 500 lbs for each dolly.

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