An American built tractor would be a major selling point.Perhaps updated 3600 series with Perkins power with Ford/Farmtrac parts compatibility on the rest of the tractor.A non-union plant with a work/quality control ethic. i'dlove to buy a tractor like that. With the Government willing to pour money down dryholes in detroit,they should be willing to bankroll this.
FarmTrac Troubles
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Ryan300DTC
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Hello everyone,
I've been keeping tabs on the thread and I hope Monday shakes out in some positive way for the dealers and owners of the indian built tractors. From what I've read, anything positive would almost have to come from a sequence of events stemming from the actions after Monday. Whether it's LS or Montana helping the existing Farmtrac dealers out by picking them up as dealers, buying the floorplan tractors, providing parts support, or whatever. I don't even know what would be acceptable to any of you guys after the roller coaster you've already been subjected to. Whatever happens, I wish you the best.
I do have a couple of semi-technical questions regarding my Farmtrac 300 DTC if anyone would like to help a satisfied owner out.
The first is in regards to the colder weather coming . I've noticed that with the colder weather (40 Degrees F.) I am having to start my tractor 2-3 times before it will stay going(it stalls). When it is warmer out, I don't have this issue. I can only assume that it is due to the fact that the glow plugs aren't staying on long enough from the initial sequence to keep the tractor going when starting in the colder environment. The only way that I have found to keep from having to restart the tractor 2-3 times is to kind of cheat the glow plug timer. I do this by letting the glow plug sequence initially and then without starting the tractor I turn the key to the off position, wait around 15 seconds, and then sequence the glow plugs again. I do this for about 3 more cylces and then I start the tractor and it will stay running. My concern is that I am currently doing this when it is 40 degrees out. When it gets down to around 10 degrees, is this same cheat going to be as effective or am I going to be able to get the tractor started at all? Do any of you know any tricks for cold weather starting of this tractor (besides a block heater as I do not yet have electric in the shed where this tractor is stored)? From the research that I've done, I have seen no information on being able to modify this timer setting or a manual override to keep the glowplugs on other than the punitive action of keeping a cold engine cranked over until enough heat is present to support combustion.
Also, does anyone know the specific steps for replacing the instrument panel lens on this tractor (the previous owners left the tractor sit outside - the currently installed lens is cracked and cloudy)? I have a new lens, but I just thought I would ask the experts about any headaches that I may run into before I start tearing into things to replace it.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Ryan
I've been keeping tabs on the thread and I hope Monday shakes out in some positive way for the dealers and owners of the indian built tractors. From what I've read, anything positive would almost have to come from a sequence of events stemming from the actions after Monday. Whether it's LS or Montana helping the existing Farmtrac dealers out by picking them up as dealers, buying the floorplan tractors, providing parts support, or whatever. I don't even know what would be acceptable to any of you guys after the roller coaster you've already been subjected to. Whatever happens, I wish you the best.
I do have a couple of semi-technical questions regarding my Farmtrac 300 DTC if anyone would like to help a satisfied owner out.
The first is in regards to the colder weather coming . I've noticed that with the colder weather (40 Degrees F.) I am having to start my tractor 2-3 times before it will stay going(it stalls). When it is warmer out, I don't have this issue. I can only assume that it is due to the fact that the glow plugs aren't staying on long enough from the initial sequence to keep the tractor going when starting in the colder environment. The only way that I have found to keep from having to restart the tractor 2-3 times is to kind of cheat the glow plug timer. I do this by letting the glow plug sequence initially and then without starting the tractor I turn the key to the off position, wait around 15 seconds, and then sequence the glow plugs again. I do this for about 3 more cylces and then I start the tractor and it will stay running. My concern is that I am currently doing this when it is 40 degrees out. When it gets down to around 10 degrees, is this same cheat going to be as effective or am I going to be able to get the tractor started at all? Do any of you know any tricks for cold weather starting of this tractor (besides a block heater as I do not yet have electric in the shed where this tractor is stored)? From the research that I've done, I have seen no information on being able to modify this timer setting or a manual override to keep the glowplugs on other than the punitive action of keeping a cold engine cranked over until enough heat is present to support combustion.
Also, does anyone know the specific steps for replacing the instrument panel lens on this tractor (the previous owners left the tractor sit outside - the currently installed lens is cracked and cloudy)? I have a new lens, but I just thought I would ask the experts about any headaches that I may run into before I start tearing into things to replace it.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Ryan
Dallas_Lilly
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I start my twin brother montana in cold weather every winter to plow my drive when it snows. The glow plugs will come on with the PTO engaged, the clutch pushed in, and the key to the start position. I to do this about 3 times in 8 second interverals to make it start. The PTO being engaged keeps it from cranking. Hope this helps.
Try using this old trick i used when selling Kioti tractors with a similar starting system. Don't push in the clutch, hold the switch all the way in the start position for a longer period of time. When you think it's ready to start push the clutch down and go. I'll bet it works.
Ryan300DTC
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I start my twin brother montana in cold weather every winter to plow my drive when it snows. The glow plugs will come on with the PTO engaged, the clutch pushed in, and the key to the start position. I to do this about 3 times in 8 second interverals to make it start. The PTO being engaged keeps it from cranking. Hope this helps
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Try using this old trick i used when selling Kioti tractors with a similar starting system. Don't push in the clutch, hold the switch all the way in the start position for a longer period of time. When you think it's ready to start push the clutch down and go. I'll bet it works.
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To Dallas_Lilly and Hurliman,
Thank you both for the excellent suggestions for cold weather starting. It is supposed to be get cold tomorrow night (around 20 degrees). That will be the perfect test to try it before I actually need it. I'll give it a shot tomorrow night.
Thanks again,
Ryan
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Try using this old trick i used when selling Kioti tractors with a similar starting system. Don't push in the clutch, hold the switch all the way in the start position for a longer period of time. When you think it's ready to start push the clutch down and go. I'll bet it works.
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To Dallas_Lilly and Hurliman,
Thank you both for the excellent suggestions for cold weather starting. It is supposed to be get cold tomorrow night (around 20 degrees). That will be the perfect test to try it before I actually need it. I'll give it a shot tomorrow night.
Thanks again,
Ryan
Tim D
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Any news as to what took place at the couthouse sale today?
According to Edgecombe County clerk Crystal Brown, Montana Tractor won bidding with a $14.1 million offer.
FNA dealers are effectively screwed now.
Guess who floorplans Montana? Textron.
Guess who works for Texton on the Farmtrac acct?
The same guy who used to handle Textron's account for Montana: Kurt Schneck.
What a coincidence.
There's a pungent scent coming from Alpharetta, Ga. -- and it's not teen spirit.
More like rat.
--Ole Blue
FNA dealers are effectively screwed now.
Guess who floorplans Montana? Textron.
Guess who works for Texton on the Farmtrac acct?
The same guy who used to handle Textron's account for Montana: Kurt Schneck.
What a coincidence.
There's a pungent scent coming from Alpharetta, Ga. -- and it's not teen spirit.
More like rat.
--Ole Blue
Hey Blue, good to see you on here again,could it be that the smart guys have overplayed their hand with this move?under La. law, any purchaser of assets or stock of a defunct corporation becomes liable under the buy-back laws.the reciever could clain immunity because he had no funds, however Montana will have no such defense.Montana, unlike LS is a USA based company and reachable by US law.
However, this could be a very smart business move by Textron,Montana and possibly Escorts.Textron has resisted all efforts by dealers to sell tractors at discounted prices, I feel certain they realised if they did so it would hurt other floorplanned companies and cut revenue to textron from those sources.now that the tarboro facilities have been purchased, montana and thus textron have access to paint facilities, blue farmtrac LS models can be transformed into Green montana units.
if ( as I suspect) montana-textron cut a deal with escorts to pick up the escorts line, then a simple renaming and decaling would solve that problem.
if escorts wants to keep a part of the US market and sell product here, they would be foolish not to play ball.
it seems to me that by sueing farmtrac dealers, textron would be defeating it's own interests by allowing the tractors on dealers lots to be sold through sherriff"s sales at pennies on the dollar.this would certainly hurt the whole industry and indeed the very companies who are currently financing with textron.while textron may not be likeable, they are savvy businesswise.
it's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.
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However, this could be a very smart business move by Textron,Montana and possibly Escorts.Textron has resisted all efforts by dealers to sell tractors at discounted prices, I feel certain they realised if they did so it would hurt other floorplanned companies and cut revenue to textron from those sources.now that the tarboro facilities have been purchased, montana and thus textron have access to paint facilities, blue farmtrac LS models can be transformed into Green montana units.
if ( as I suspect) montana-textron cut a deal with escorts to pick up the escorts line, then a simple renaming and decaling would solve that problem.
if escorts wants to keep a part of the US market and sell product here, they would be foolish not to play ball.
it seems to me that by sueing farmtrac dealers, textron would be defeating it's own interests by allowing the tractors on dealers lots to be sold through sherriff"s sales at pennies on the dollar.this would certainly hurt the whole industry and indeed the very companies who are currently financing with textron.while textron may not be likeable, they are savvy businesswise.
it's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.
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redneckford
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One can think of many situations.Textron,Montana and Escorts together seems to be a great idea and a positive for Textron?????.
We should not forget LS ,They are big,I assume they were interested in coming direct.Where does it leave Montana??
In this situation with LS buying out Farmtrac the biggest looser was Textron because it had the floor plan of Montana covered and there was no way for Montana to continue at the pace it is continuing after LS came directly
I think Montana has bought this out and may want to wriggle out of the business by handing out everything to LS and this may be a bargaining tool.
Am i thinking too much ahead.
Would like comments ??
We should not forget LS ,They are big,I assume they were interested in coming direct.Where does it leave Montana??
In this situation with LS buying out Farmtrac the biggest looser was Textron because it had the floor plan of Montana covered and there was no way for Montana to continue at the pace it is continuing after LS came directly
I think Montana has bought this out and may want to wriggle out of the business by handing out everything to LS and this may be a bargaining tool.
Am i thinking too much ahead.
Would like comments ??