FarmTrac Troubles

/ FarmTrac Troubles #381  
SAME website. I must admit I had not seen this before today. Never had a reason I guess.

I can tell this is a very stale site. The contact person left Farmtrac just after the contract with SAME was signed.

Lot of water over the dam since then.

Tim
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #382  
I guess what I found to be strange when I went to the Same-tractor site suggested by Modo,was that Farmtrac was listed as the importer and the Georgia location was listed as an affiliate.the strange part was that the Georgia location had No phone-No fax and No e-mail address,in fact the only contact was at Farmtrac in Tarboro. however Tim you are probably right.but they sure have took a long time to correct this website. thanks for the info---Taxpayer
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #383  
Charolais said:
I'm sure that's what folks said when Ford, Allis Chalmers,David Brown, Leyland, Oliver, Cockshut, Avery, Ferguson, Massey-Harris,Mpls Moline and Long to name a few shut down,merged or was bought out. You can still get parts for all those if you know where to look. I'll be the first to say I'm sure sorry this happened to Farmtrac USA. I own one and I have no worries about parts. So far as service I got better service from my Farmtrac dealer than any of the other name brands listed and more. The days of service when it was at it's best went out the door in the late 70's. I remember when tractor and even automobile dealers would come to your home or farm and try and make trades. All that's way behind us now.

I expect my Farmtrac to last as long as any other tractor I've ever had. And don't forget that Farmtrac in India is still going strong with sales in many countries around the world.

Look at IH when they had the line of tractors. Many thought they had the best tractors out there. In this day and time any company can go belly up no matter how big or how much profit they make. All it takes is the wrong decision makers to sway the company in the wrong direction. The going thing today is CEO's that make more money than ever, sending companies down the tubes and walking out with millions in bonuses from their failures. Then move on to the next sucker company and start the same old same old all over again. Remember money is behind this debacle as it is in any when this happens. If we had a clear picture of the money trail we'd all know what happened to Farmtrac USA.

I think several folks here do know and can't say in public and I understand that. It's just a shame that pure justice can't be used to the fullest extent, if this is a case with Farmtrac. Since the whole thing has been kinda hushed from the beginning with no solid answers as to why this problem occurred it all leaves me smelling snakes in the woodpile, which I suspected from the beginning. It's hard not to suspect in these times we're in now. The Farmtrac is to good of a machine and sold so well where it was offered not to make money. As I posted back in this same thread. Where is the MONEY? When we see proof of where the money went then we'll know why.

Hope your tractor company can hang through these times. I expect to see more of the same for some time to come.
Charolais,
Very well said. The people who have courage to buy FARMTRAC now will likely get a bargain of a life time. Tractors from other sources may be just as risky. Think about it --Case bought IH because IH was in financial trouble--Then NH bought Case-IH because Case-IH was in trouble--AGCO bought Massey because Massey was in trouble--Did any of this make CNH or AGCO immune to financial trouble if there are fire sales of FARMTRAC tractors. AGCO, CNH and JD all have good prospectuses but books have been cooked before by bigger companies than they. All life is a gamble. I don't know how many FARMTRACs were sold retail prior to this mess but I have been told (in about 1999 or 2000) that there are over 80,000 Long or Longtrac sold since the middle 60's. Tim may know how many FARMTRAC were sold. I suspect it is enough to warrant after market parts companies to sit up and take notice. If not you can always buy parts from the higher price source CNH. I recently needed a part for a Long that wasn't available otherwise so I called a CNH dealer friend who faxed me a parts page from a CNH Fiat tractor and I picked out the part number. I had to pay CNH price for the part though and that was nearly double FARMTRAC price.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #384  
Heads up you guys!! I picked it up from a realible scource that the LEWPACK website was going to be removed soon. might want to keep an eye on that. sounds like the Fox has been caught in the henhouse.---Taxpayer:p
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #385  
Has anyone heard anything about the announcment that was supposed to be made today?---Taxpayer
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #386  
taxpayer said:
Has anyone heard anything about the announcment that was supposed to be made today?---Taxpayer

No we have not received anything. I guess I am trying to patiently wait?? I think all of us dealers and the general public have been more than patient with this process. I know these things take time but this is getting really bad. I think the most simple and honest thing to do is for Escort to take all the inventory from the U.S. (including Dealers) and dist. it throughout the rest of the word where they are still selling the product! Just change the sticker to the Powertrac or what ever it is and everyone is happy! However pigs have not grown wings so I guess my requst is in the same category. Growing tired is really where I am. The public and dealers are really losing more than anyone else. I would love to tell a customer that these are great tractors (which they are) and now you can buy one and save a bunch of money. Oh well I guess we will see what happens Wednesday! Maybe we wil receive a memo is the cover of darkness.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #388  
well, another day and still no startling revelations from the powers that be,but I don't think anyone is very suprised,after all,as the old saying goes,"they must just consider us as mushrooms,because they feed us a steady diet of Bu**s**t and keep us in the dark". on another note,there has been some talk of the dealers being ecouraged to join with NAEDA to maybe file a class action suit.I don't know exactly who such a suit would be against. I think the dealers would be wise to do some research on who is working with who. let me suggest everyone check out North American Equipment Dealers Association, take note of their Partner Programs and who they are affiated with,Now ask yourself,who is expecting the dealers to pay them for the tractors that the dealers have been stuck with? if you feel comfortable with it,then by all means join.if not, maybe by sharing information we can find a better way to bring pressure to bear on the ones who have been knowingly decieving the dealers all along.---Taxpayer PS: nothing on the Lewpack thing yet.let you know as soon as we get it.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #390  
LEWPACK website has been changed.they are not giving out any info online anymore.HMM! could someone be nervous?:p :p :D
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #391  
taxpayer said:
LEWPACK website has been changed.they are not giving out any info online anymore.HMM! could someone be nervous?:p :p :D

VERY INTERESTING....SAGA CONTINUES!
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #392  
What I don't understand about the LEWPACK tractors they are offering for sale: IF Lewpack was contacted to sell the tractors held in Tarboro by either the receivor or Textron-WHY pull the information that they had listed on the website (price and description)?? Their business is to liquidate for companies in financial trouble and obviously have to have thick skin to deal with callers that they get! They could not be naive to know the response that they would receive from Farmtrac dealers/customers or any of the other tractor companies out there that are going to be effected by the Farmtrac issues. Even with the tractors offered by Lewpack to be exported only-that still has to effect the USA in some way. Why put the information out there by Lewpack to just turn around and take it off 3 days later? Put it on the internet to get people pumped up?? Why?? Help me understand this!:cool:
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #393  
Textron did not place the tractors with LewPack. Only one person has control of Farmtrac assets at this time.

As a dealer, you have every right as a creditor if you have any money due from Farmtrac. Also, "Less than Zero" customers that have not been paid are also a creditor.

The Receiver was hired to protect the rights of all creditors,
Not just the biggest.

Yikes, I have to stop there. Nothing else I can say now.

Everybody framed their LewPack web page by now?:D

Tim
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #394  
Published April 02, 2008 11:06 am -


TRACTORS FOR SALE

For sale: 902 Farmtrac tractors at a great price. That's one of the options offered to the public by a liquidation Web site late Monday.
The online clearance Web site comes nearly three months after financially embattled tractor manufacturer Farmtrac North America (FNA) closed its doors to employees to reorganize. It is also more than 180 days behind on its debt of more than $14 million to Atlanta, Ga.-based Textron Financial.
Attorney Jim Marrow of Tarboro, who assumed duty Feb. 27 as the Edgecombe County court-appointed receiver, was asked about the online offering.
Marrow said that rapidly selling the tractors at "fire sale prices" is "an unenviable and last option," and that efforts are in place to shape up the company's books, inventory and hardware enough to attract a buyer.
"That is ultimately is the best solution to maximize value," he said.
The function of a receiver is to ensure payment of debt to creditors. In the case of six-decade old Farmtrac, it is also to repair the company's reputation and prevent it from perishing.
"In essence, I am now the owner of Farmtrac," Marrow explained. "I'm aware many people are hurt in this ... and that we've got to act quickly."
Marrow claimed he had no knowledge about a liquidation site operated by LewPack International of metro Atlanta prior to faxes and e-mails from Farmtrac retailers across the country with Web site information, a page hosting 19 different models of Farmtrac tractors.
There are approximately 700 partly-assembled and 250 completed tractors on Farmtrac locations in Tarboro.
In further conversation, the receiver attributed the online sale attempt to a "miscommunication" between two undisclosed parties. "They were contacted (Tuesday) and the Web page is no longer in service," Marrow said.
LewPack's Farmtrac sales page, lewpackinternational.com/tractors.html continued to be in full operation at the time today's newspaper had gone to press.
In addition, a Middle Eastern competitor Web site, Vivastreet.co.in, is also offering the multitude of Farmtrac products for sale. The listing was posted on Sunday by co-owner of LewPack International, Bobby Pack.
In conversations with Pack, he offered tractors at rates thousands of dollars less than dealer cost. "It's a close out for a U.S. distributor," Pack said. "We're liquidating all of it."
Since late February, Marrow has appointed a barebones management and administrative staff back on duty at its headquarters building on 111 Fairview St. to wade though a sea of backdated paperwork and "get a good picture of what's here."
Disheveled bookkeeping and a lack of hardware inventory are issues that Doug Gurkins of Washington, N.C., a veteran property and land evaluator, has reported to Marrow.
Transactions that are four or five years old, partly cannibalized tractors used for parts and dislocated tractors are a handful of examples that represent the mess Marrow inherited.
"One tractor was taken to a farm show in Louisville, (Ky.). Instead of bringing it back afterward, it was left at the nearby retailer," Morrow said. "At $30,000 a pop, that can add up pretty quick."
The tractors are spread across nearly 300 Farmtrac dealerships across the U.S. and Canada, plus three different properties (production and storage) in Tarboro.
The lack of a tractor warranty program is a large and essential obstacle that must be conquered if the firm has any chance to be successful. In some states, law requires a warranty with "new" tractors. Numerous dealerships have reported that customers are unwilling to pay full price for a tractor without protection against breakage.
"It could be the difference between failure and success" of retaining dealers and customers, Marrow said.
Negotiations are under way and Marrow as "two or three" potential third-party tractor warranty and maintenance companies, one which could be approved "within seven to 10 days."
Marrow also stressed that quick actions are also critical.
"We will lose a lot of brand value if we let it linger," Marrow said "and the selling season is ending rapidly."
On Jan. 18, the Fairview Street location was closed and approximately 180 workers were sent home while company leadership regrouped. The workers are still in limbo and under temporary layoff.
The workers, presently on temporary layoff, are allowed to collect unemployment without being required to seek out new work. Once displaced workers take on a permanent layoff status, they become eligible for federal re-training and back-to-school programs. It is a wait that, depending upon Farmtrac, could last for up to 24 weeks.
Although Farmtrac employees voluntarily gave five to six hours daily during the plant closing in an effort to continue basic parts and phone support, numbers and support fizzled.

Copyright ゥ 1999-2008 cnhi, inc.

Photos


At the Farmtrac assembly plant in Tarboro, rows and rows full of partially assembled Farmtrac tractors await a buyer. Between a sluggish economy, the company's January closing and lack of a tractor warranty program, the units may become part of a liquidation sale. Staff Writer
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #395  
Wait a minute while I wipe my beverage off the screen. :eek:

Remember what I said about trusting what you read in the newspaper?

That "Hogan's Hero" line................."I know nothing". :D

Yeah, right.

Tim
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #396  
Did everyone get their Textron fax about the Lewpack website? Seems that Textron did not authorize Lewpack to put the Farmtrac tractors up for sale!:rolleyes:
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #397  
have any of you recieved your Textron letter yet? as I have indicated in my posts,there are more ways to get attention than phone calls and E-mails. in the words of a popular verse ""YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET"";) ;) .
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #398  
I am sorry but I do not believe that Textron had nothing to do with the Lew-Pak tractors. When being contacted directly about these tractors Lew-Pak appolgized and said that they were waiting for word from TEXTRON as to what was happening. All conversations went back to Textron when it came to these tractors. No one else was mentioned by the Lew-Pak people. Please do not underestimate the lenghts these companies will go to to get there money (first). I still think that 300 dealers united, can have more pull with the reciever than 20-30 dealers calling Marrow or Textron.

Still in the dark!
Case
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #399  
It is intereting that if you look up network solutions.com you will find that the website domain name lewpackinternational.com was created 4-3-2008 and registered on4-3-2008. Draw your own conclusions....no further comment from me.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #400  
I meant to write 3-4-08 in the previuos post
 

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